From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master 9b762c35a1: Add Sefirot to Omer counting Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 14:49:41 +0300 Message-ID: <831qx0s2zu.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83y1zcwq56.fsf@gnu.org> <20220509.075441.710349049819527507.enometh@meer.net> <83wneuuccs.fsf@gnu.org> <83bkw6t8y2.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30407"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: ecbrown@ericcbrown.com, enometh@meer.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed May 11 13:54:05 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nokup-0007fe-JM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 11 May 2022 13:54:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55392 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nokun-0000CY-4m for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 11 May 2022 07:54:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59746) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nokqd-000462-W4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 May 2022 07:49:44 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37430) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nokqd-0002Dk-AT; Wed, 11 May 2022 07:49:43 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=lrPoPN2t3MMqXsbXNKxpwkZnpsmQT5pzwKx5x1W/0jk=; b=lQF4K44L9OXD Hu9gqHXQbBrG9lyOQfGLn7vgofbmucL+V48NDQRbkEOmLsqaZRqrYMo+zwBM75TCKgaYsZLqTUobR mwdusNbOQyPCMfNo/u+VpBfAmdJUhXtlQ7csut1LOYIEbaEO9j3S48tAUfUoOZq4xdF/GyZ0disU2 xTyTZQX6cIxVZ8dvcweKcNVWu/f+SDNsUEIJerz0zU6dGKS+tXqqaQUFT3H+puyS0pTHvE529mD9K WLPNs2cUbtko6Cn+1THlZMW2YBCG1kPWHoAn3cVwS6BeOAsFHwN6GNO2w4AHAQBURis8pADRLzNLK t0yNXD7ZXtHjjXt4ERpsig==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3067 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nokqZ-0007QR-On; Wed, 11 May 2022 07:49:40 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Wed, 11 May 2022 05:04:32 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:289628 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: ecbrown@ericcbrown.com, enometh@meer.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 05:04:32 -0400 > > > That'd mean any holiday should be excluded, since holidays almost > > always are "specific things some groups customarily DO on specific > > named days". > > We are miscommunicating. The holidays listed in the Emacs Calendar do > NOT describe things to _do_ on that day. Not even the religious ones. > > "Christmas" does not state what you should do on that day. "Easter" > does not. "Yom Kippur" does not. "Chanukkah" does not. "Eid el > fitr" does not. "Martin Luther King Day" does not. Those holidays > are associated with customs, but what we state in the Emacs calendar > is the holiday name only, NOT customs. But then neither do the names of the Parshiot. They just name the Bible chapters, they don't tell what one should do with them. E.g., it is customary to say in Hebrew "Saturday of Breishit", to identify which Saturday is that (there's only one such Saturday every year). More generally, what holiday name means is in the eyes of the beholder. "Yom Kippur" and "Eid el fitr" may mean nothing to someone except the name, but may mean the world to someone else, including _exactly_ what should be done or not done on that day. > I believe my criterion > > > > The natural place would be between > > > (1) identifications/names of specific days, and > > > (2) specific things some groups customarily DO on specific named days. > > > The first is part of the calendar; the second is an adjunct used with > > > the calendar. > > would not call for removing anything that is included now. If you think it > would call for removing something, what precisely? I already said: every holiday matches (2), IMO.