From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Abysmal state of GTK build Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 19:06:27 +0300 Message-ID: <831qt77xmk.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83wnb1bt96.fsf@gnu.org> <87a67vuwmo.fsf@gnus.org> <41a702f1-60fb-65fb-3862-d198c46cd6e6@gmail.com> <87sflnqaub.fsf@gnus.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5263"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, luangruo@yahoo.com To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 23 18:12:38 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oQWW5-0001G3-UR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 18:12:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48664 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQWW5-0003du-01 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 12:12:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33408) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQWQ3-0004d9-C3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 12:06:23 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:52414) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQWQ1-0006lj-M5; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 12:06:21 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=BfeSxZYGBhmeAw6mscULx9MR29OJWuweOSIy0RgHf2M=; b=PkligplGEebQ mCE/Gu8hQTalIEd6SIeqhoHAISiIg0+fm9yBwRByVxlu2aokYeP88ph8RmvK6GzJAk9TERWqYoYcM x76UTDelQyB8QYmLHgruexU7wV6GkTf8zzVnHepVbWOCz4knOG9zAaELHFgvL+qC8ddupCo6UY3EI kYP/Ox2PPaz3qcOeuFACXNAUDwabSI1/AYVTBZdhuB9SdTePi//iMRf0QWSJhxVXFeokxWgCeIeB5 XVSaWez3Qio18QbUKg48+djWGt9IuLnmQBCu7LN5sxNWNiJbqTh6MQ1uteiAIqLdSZbpl98xV6otb NBexf2Sier6Qatg/MYTKSg==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1208 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oQWQ0-0001kx-W2; Tue, 23 Aug 2022 12:06:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87sflnqaub.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Tue, 23 Aug 2022 16:43:40 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293899 Archived-At: > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Cc: eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, luangruo@yahoo.com > Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 16:43:40 +0200 > > The most recalcitrant thing is ./configure, of course -- it's > single-threaded. Are you using -C ? It makes the configure script fly. Most of the changes in the script nowadays don't need a full reconfiguration, and seldom even add new variables. > I wonder whether anybody has looked into switching to a different build > system? I tried some of them (not in Emacs), and my conclusion was that each one needs to be studied and adapted, so switching means learning a whole new language and set of tools and practices. On top of that, you'd have fewer people to ask and come to help if you have problems. With -C, the configure step is so fast that I'm not sure I even want to think about an alternative.