From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A more radical cleanup for make bootstrap? Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 14:22:45 +0300 Message-ID: <831qs6xpbu.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83bkraydzu.fsf@gnu.org> <2b1180d2e522e2571f09@heytings.org> <87pmfqlao9.fsf@yahoo.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13416"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: gregory@heytings.org, larsi@gnus.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, stefan@marxist.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 20 16:54:08 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oaedT-0003Ge-EJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2022 16:54:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33782 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oaedS-0007sh-BH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2022 10:54:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39126) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oabKr-0002Ap-DC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2022 07:22:42 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:55464) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oabKp-0006vu-D0; Tue, 20 Sep 2022 07:22:39 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=0tTLLOVxLKdR8JH3FXJaabr+UvWeRjiRfXm7ktKFHcs=; b=JwoiBf0CA5D7 4o7MUCxw1x9/9WPz48VH/Fr42Ezzd9oFImTIUPsjwXwScTXAwQdj3mEfxnylQS7mJbdIuQg+YhON3 5RpR1TX4EJKRUZWaRlYhlaFekhNNTdanpkdyz8emrgaTEQeD5LBci+nU9blQdk+V5rTguitM7/APU w8rh7GwLjiUIl1aX9VBJmBCXy+UNLbCHnLEaWZiIOM3Bz2qPDmXdCL2vc5sRXvvQtDcNtY7hMm8Z1 gn+rYF8SkClb0ohzBWAPDbgkwQzd7t03R3ANl7BazAAwUWwwncuIsBqBVA29z0Es2YVJHlSRM88Aq rmtA9n0mwS2Itr9mr/3R3g==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1968 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oabKo-0002nN-Qt; Tue, 20 Sep 2022 07:22:39 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87pmfqlao9.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Tue, 20 Sep 2022 16:20:06 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:295806 Archived-At: > From: Po Lu > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , larsi@gnus.org, > monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, stefan@marxist.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 16:20:06 +0800 > > Gregory Heytings writes: > > > I don't know exactly. Stefan M and Po Lu both asked for a "less > > radical" bootstrap, which is what that "soft-bootstrap" would have > > done. But now Stefan said it's not that important to him. So I guess > > there's no need for a "soft-bootstrap" anymore, unless someone tells > > otherwise. > > What about me? > > It generally takes 10-15 minutes for me to build Emacs in ideal > conditions from "make bootstrap", with much of that time taken up by > building temacs. It takes longer when I am actually working on Emacs, > because that typically happens while my machine is already under load. Why do you bootstrap? I almost never do that.