From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Adding refactoring capabilities to Emacs Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 18:32:54 +0300 Message-ID: <831qehyoyh.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83fs4f36wi.fsf@gnu.org> <8408fa63-af93-ab36-8524-fa12de7918ea@gutov.dev> <87pm25qck5.fsf@posteo.net> <0b0c60ec-46e7-19b2-4ade-7bc32cf457bf@gutov.dev> <92ee8b00-bde5-b425-f374-3817a9cb46ee@gutov.dev> <834jjd1c69.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7991"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: dmitry@gutov.dev, joaotavora@gmail.com, philipk@posteo.net, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Alfred M. Szmidt" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 29 17:33:41 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qmFUq-0001kx-09 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2023 17:33:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qmFUU-0003gw-Ev; Fri, 29 Sep 2023 11:33:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qmFUS-0003gY-0J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2023 11:33:16 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qmFUR-0004u5-Jf; Fri, 29 Sep 2023 11:33:15 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=xWatPcXX9H5S/6s2Ceu3pzk/rRSe7wE56686YgO1eCE=; b=DGnuGQh7WwXE h3H3ZbZAXWGtHAqLqZs2wfpFeiRVT452V4ANec3hlSs3WFHxT40s8DqehL9K9SB2RZdxqu9ZP5KXf t4+SxsGRApcAtEcrbG4D2z5SDR/J01EtHIgVlrvowr+l0siH03d7WKGoHuSDQG20yLAYHZkqGD3YO 96KVjj68vaNK/geIeeZA17dLR4KG0+gXgEr6mSbeqs8I0pKqeQ8FCxMNyEfmLYk8ZjFYMkJUeDlGm 6jBD/ItmxSfCbCHVxI+iQjZSxUV0YRmwZm2KpILGqvhhkWmSMkhrRzYwlSvi55ee2WI13CVS8INDE hjpnRFR3jn0MHmr/wmxGvg==; In-Reply-To: (ams@gnu.org) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:311166 Archived-At: > From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" > Cc: dmitry@gutov.dev, joaotavora@gmail.com, philipk@posteo.net, > monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 08:36:49 -0400 > > > Please, no. It does not make sense, specially for the case of XPM > > files, they are fully editable using normal text and making the > > display the content would make it worse since you loose out of that > > ability. > > This is again your personal preferences speaking, > > Are users not allowed to raise a voice for objectional behaviour in > Emacs? They are allowed to raise such a voice, but they are much less allowed to impose their preferences on others where Emacs already have some useful default behavior and ample possibilities to customize that for someone who doesn't like the defaults. > coupled with the > fact that you aren't using a GUI Emacs frequently enough. > > You have no knowledge of that. I can read, you know. And I understand what I read. > Once again, this whole discussion thread is completely useless. > > Raising objections to behaviour that is annoying is not "completely > useless". Raising them once or twice isn't, but keeping pushing for them to be the only Right Thing is.