From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Suggested experimental test Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 09:03:39 +0000 Message-ID: <831ba60af0cbfdd95686@heytings.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="uBx23KUife" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31047"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 20 10:05:14 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lNXXm-0007yd-Jm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 10:05:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37318 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lNXXl-0006SV-KO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 05:05:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52400) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lNXWK-0005XZ-09 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 05:03:44 -0400 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:37814) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lNXWI-0004TH-5a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 05:03:43 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20210101; t=1616231020; bh=psbabvCFatnpBn8FJAdMvlTkoMUD0cfXgQoKuHiyrLE=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:Message-ID:From; b=Q1zZ7wgYQ3hULra2F1gWRWAp8lrYBohDC2G+OjgVgLBJw6RJJP8W4I45QjWSAcPDm UwfrQQwU0NZHQq266jMob0CYwcTnsoi+LhFi3Rklh4q5pVKmb70YO3A3V9lL4eN3FD WesaB825ukWZcRvpYwlE71uotHjbjdkU9a7jLq1f+v15YiC8Yg/bcKqDBH87a/Z5w5 ZLMDWXGQBjAFClB6WS+GkXKZaipXS+pNBklT4nSUj6qpddKzWIMmNHLOtl2TvKzpbY cts7v6wBEa+42ehaSvwRy3HCBDtF+4ig+6cKqwWBUb6btMMedmqjogV1sCNDLm9Pqz xwdJumDBx6Zng== Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.142.160.155; envelope-from=gregory@heytings.org; helo=heytings.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:266634 Archived-At: --uBx23KUife Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > This concludes our first experimental test on the devel branch. The > amount of feedback wasn't overwhelming, but we did get some -- and I > guess the `M-o' command wasn't very popular, so I'm not really that > surprised. > > So I think it was a moderately successful experiment, and we should use > this way of trying out user interface changes more. > May I suggest the attached, slightly more controversial, experimental test? --uBx23KUife Content-Type: text/x-diff; name=0001-lisp-loadup.el-Change-the-C-o-open-line-binding-expe.patch Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: <831ba60af0bb1d46901e@heytings.org> Content-Description: Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=0001-lisp-loadup.el-Change-the-C-o-open-line-binding-expe.patch RnJvbSA4MjgyZmE1NDdmNzkyMzBhMTEyZGE5ZTRlNDljNDE0OWQ0YzMxZjdm IE1vbiBTZXAgMTcgMDA6MDA6MDAgMjAwMQ0KRnJvbTogR3JlZ29yeSBIZXl0 aW5ncyA8Z3JlZ29yeUBoZXl0aW5ncy5vcmc+DQpEYXRlOiBGcmksIDE5IE1h ciAyMDIxIDE4OjUxOjQ5ICswMDAwDQpTdWJqZWN0OiBbUEFUQ0hdICogbGlz cC9sb2FkdXAuZWw6IENoYW5nZSB0aGUgJ0MtbycgKCdvcGVuLWxpbmUnKSBi aW5kaW5nDQogZXhwZXJpbWVudGFsbHkNCg0KLS0tDQogbGlzcC9sb2FkdXAu ZWwgfCAzNCArKysrKysrKysrKysrKysrKysrKysrKysrKysrKysrKysrDQog MSBmaWxlIGNoYW5nZWQsIDM0IGluc2VydGlvbnMoKykNCg0KZGlmZiAtLWdp dCBhL2xpc3AvbG9hZHVwLmVsIGIvbGlzcC9sb2FkdXAuZWwNCmluZGV4IDRh MGI4ZjUwOGMuLjAyODA4MzY1ZjAgMTAwNjQ0DQotLS0gYS9saXNwL2xvYWR1 cC5lbA0KKysrIGIvbGlzcC9sb2FkdXAuZWwNCkBAIC00NzcsNiArNDc3LDQw IEBADQogDQogDA0KIA0KKyhkZWZpbmUta2V5IGdsb2JhbC1tYXAgIlxDLW8i ICMnZnJlZS1jdGwtbykNCisNCisoZGVmdW4gZnJlZS1jdGwtbyAoKQ0KKyAg KGludGVyYWN0aXZlKQ0KKyAgKHNldHEgcHJlZml4LWFyZyBjdXJyZW50LXBy ZWZpeC1hcmcpDQorICAobWVzc2FnZSAiUmVwZWF0IEMtbyB0byBpbnNlcnQg bmV3bGluZXMgYWZ0ZXIgcG9pbnQsIG9yIHR5cGUgQy1oIG9yID8gZm9yIGhl bHAiKQ0KKyAgKGxldCAoKG1hcCAobWFrZS1zcGFyc2Uta2V5bWFwKSkpDQor ICAgIChkZWZpbmUta2V5IG1hcCAoa2JkICJDLW8iKSAjJ29wZW4tbGluZSkN CisgICAgKGRlZmluZS1rZXkgbWFwIChrYmQgIkMtaCIpICMnZnJlZS1jdGwt by1leHBsYWluKQ0KKyAgICAoZGVmaW5lLWtleSBtYXAgKGtiZCAiPyIpICMn ZnJlZS1jdGwtby1leHBsYWluKQ0KKyAgICAoc2V0LXRyYW5zaWVudC1tYXAg bWFwIHQpKSkNCisNCisoZGVmdW4gZnJlZS1jdGwtby1leHBsYWluICgpDQor ICAoaW50ZXJhY3RpdmUpDQorICAoc3dpdGNoLXRvLWJ1ZmZlciAiKkNoYW5n ZSB0byBDLW8qIikNCisgIChsZXQgKChpbmhpYml0LXJlYWQtb25seSB0KSkN CisgICAgKGVyYXNlLWJ1ZmZlcikNCisgICAgKGluc2VydCAiW1R5cGUgYHEn IHRvIGV4aXQgdGhpcyBidWZmZXIuXVxuXG4iDQorICAgICAgICAgICAgIldl J3ZlIGRpc2FibGVkIHRoZSBub3JtYWwgYEMtbycgYmluZGluZyBmb3IgYSBt b250aCAodW50aWwgQXByaWxcbiINCisgICAgICAgICAgICAiMjN0aCwgMjAy MSkgaW4gdGhlIGRldmVsb3BtZW50IHZlcnNpb24gb2YgR05VIEVtYWNzLCB3 aGlsZSBrZWVwaW5nXG4iDQorICAgICAgICAgICAgInRoZSBgb3Blbi1saW5l JyBjb21tYW5kIHRoYXQgd2FzIGJvdW5kIHRvIGBDLW8nIG9uIHJlcGVhdGVk IGBDLW8nLlxuXG4iDQorICAgICAgICAgICAgIklmIHRoaXMgY2hhbmdlIGRv ZXNuJ3QgYW5ub3kgdG9vIG1hbnkgcGVvcGxlLCB0aGUgcGxhbiBpcyB0byBs ZWF2ZVxuIg0KKyAgICAgICAgICAgICJ0aGUgYEMtbycga2V5IHVuYm91bmQs IGV4Y2VwdCB3aGVuIGl0IGlzIHJlcGVhdGVkLCBmb3IgdXNhZ2UgYnlcbiIN CisgICAgICAgICAgICAidGhpcmQtcGFydHkgcGFja2FnZXMuXG5cbiINCisg ICAgICAgICAgICAiSWYgeW91IHdpc2ggdG8gcmVzdG9yZSB0aGUgYEMtbycg YmluZGluZywgeW91IGNhbiBwdXQgdGhlIGZvbGxvd2luZ1xuIg0KKyAgICAg ICAgICAgICJpbiB5b3VyIC5lbWFjcyBvciAuZW1hY3MuZC9pbml0LmVsIGZp bGU6XG5cbiINCisgICAgICAgICAgICAiKGdsb2JhbC1zZXQta2V5IChrYmQg XCJDLW9cIikgIydvcGVuLWxpbmUpXG5cbiINCisgICAgICAgICAgICAiSWYg eW91IHdpc2ggdG8gcHJvdGVzdCB0aGlzIGNoYW5nZSwgcGxlYXNlIHNlbmQg eW91IHRob3VnaHRzIHRvIHRoZVxuIg0KKyAgICAgICAgICAgICJlbWFjcy1k ZXZlbEBnbnUub3JnIG1haWxpbmcgbGlzdC5cbiIpKQ0KKyAgKGdvdG8tY2hh ciAocG9pbnQtbWluKSkNCisgIChzcGVjaWFsLW1vZGUpKQ0KKw0KKwwNCisN CiAoaWYgZHVtcC1tb2RlDQogICAgIChsZXQgKChvdXRwdXQgKGNvbmQgKChl cXVhbCBkdW1wLW1vZGUgInBkdW1wIikgImVtYWNzLnBkbXAiKQ0KICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICgoZXF1YWwgZHVtcC1tb2RlICJkdW1wIikg ImVtYWNzIikNCi0tIA0KMi4zMC4xDQoNCg== --uBx23KUife--