From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: how to tell what's in the fringe? (lazy fringe) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:42:53 -0700 Message-ID: <825ED0A1AEA14744A4C75EBC2A0A7AAB@us.oracle.com> References: <23168F61416544D98791D6E70AFF9027@us.oracle.com><24502D4C681544F69A534239B49197DF@us.oracle.com><87vdms6j65.fsf@catnip.gol.com><06F801F51A2B4CE4B56C23E2936D1C80@us.oracle.com> <87k5377tfu.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1245451406 16687 80.91.229.12 (19 Jun 2009 22:43:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 22:43:26 +0000 (UTC) To: "'Miles Bader'" , Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 20 00:43:23 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MHmnq-0000NO-DD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 20 Jun 2009 00:43:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38615 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MHmnp-0004UZ-Qj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:43:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MHmnj-0004SP-W6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:43:16 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MHmnf-0004N6-KQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:43:15 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=43178 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MHmnf-0004Mu-9F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:43:11 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet11.oracle.com ([141.146.126.233]:39089) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MHmnP-00063o-M9; Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:42:56 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by acsinet11.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n5JMhrot028811 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 19 Jun 2009 22:43:54 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt005.oracle.com (abhmt005.oracle.com [141.146.116.14]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id n5JMiCqV018297; Fri, 19 Jun 2009 22:44:12 GMT Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/24.5.177.54) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:42:49 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87k5377tfu.fsf@catnip.gol.com> Thread-Index: AcnxLNiBkTy8vs9VQQeYYShrtxarrgAASmBg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Source-IP: abhmt005.oracle.com [141.146.116.14] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A010207.4A3C146A.0084:SCFSTAT5015188,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:111602 Archived-At: > In emacs <21 (again, IIRC), the last column always contained > either "$", "\", or " " (representing a newline); you could not > have lines with 80 "content" (non-newline) characters. So you > basically got 79 generally usable columns, if your window was > 80 columns wide. > > In current emacs, you get precisely the same results if you set > the fringe style to `right-only', though the terminology has > changed a bit: The last "column" (the fringe) contains either a > fringe indicator or nothing, _but_ current emacs also allows > the " " representing a newline to displayed in the fringe. So > again, you get 79 generally usable columns if your window is 80 > columns wide. > > Thus, despite the new concepts, the amount of usable space is > the same, when you use only the right fringe. I see. In effect, with only right fringe, you trade a fringe indicator for the \ (or $, if truncated) that was used before. Thanks for the clear explanation. Turning off the fringe background helps a bit, but I guess I still prefer the \ or $ to the bold arrows (curled or right) used for this in the fringe. I don't use truncate much - I admit that $ is about as ugly as the fringe bold right arrow. But \ is much better than the fringe arrow, IMO.