From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jambunathan K Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: elpa.gnu.org repository sync with Emacs Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 04:47:49 +0530 Message-ID: <81k4kby1ya.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87mxpabjj3.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <8762vyz5rl.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <8739r2z1w8.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87y68t8jif.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <87r5eljosw.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87fwv1rukn.fsf@gmail.com> <87tyjh3xgo.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87mxp71xd0.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1290035917 21139 80.91.229.12 (17 Nov 2010 23:18:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 23:18:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ted Zlatanov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 18 00:18:33 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PIrGq-0005QE-RU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 00:18:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41898 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PIrGq-0007Yr-58 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:18:32 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=55676 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PIrGj-0007Xi-D4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:18:26 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PIrGh-0006sY-Az for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:18:25 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-yw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.213.41]:51003) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PIrGh-0006sG-8S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 18:18:23 -0500 Original-Received: by ywc21 with SMTP id 21so263230ywc.0 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:18:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:cc:subject:references :date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=3nnYuRIwbvhEmP1Ab10PGXtb/2GLudL3+N2h7As6btg=; b=uIRmAxtf1NH7fhUorUAidX/aNI8I1m0MV9kx2YeNX5E+XLDwEwqdGaYbojJoep3fah am2nF02bR02xQ8TOZRpXXFPOVsOb+IR0IVuxXHGQf50DtSVCrn4mQ4zmQtW34vvFsH3X jYhjwn5fUcqJOqL19a3sa+M5jBiiriwtlITok= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=e8oleRHdNKUY2j+AbMk3uKC0+r3RNp129m8UJHf723dHnc0zwXj06+dzJIl4jON4pd q36qaBUh8yDJf7UODeO98MEeB22cV3fENL0KjkGe7gyeEAfe2g0hiLxHBnZKoQz33jWT FTIL2G9ZnBwtJTJWEgqMyp3Q0UuoYpg8575Z4= Original-Received: by 10.100.198.4 with SMTP id v4mr6573017anf.42.1290035902296; Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:18:22 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from JAMBU-NETBOOK ([115.184.16.127]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b22sm6915425anb.15.2010.11.17.15.18.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:18:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87mxp71xd0.fsf@lifelogs.com> (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Wed, 17 Nov 2010 14:58:03 -0600") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.91 (windows-nt) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:132804 Archived-At: Ted Zlatanov writes: > On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 11:45:42 -0800 "Drew Adams" wrote: > >>> It's *not* ELPA, it's elpa.gnu.org. Tom Tromey runs >>> ELPA. I make the distinction again because it matters: >>> >>> To avoid this confusion, how about renaming the server? >>> We could call it emacs-pkg.gnu.org. > > DA> 1+ > > DA> And in discussions (e.g. here) call it something other than ELPA. > > epkg is already used. emacs-pkg is long and hard to type. > >From a user-perspective the length of the string shouldn't matter. Emacs will ship with the default archives (whatever it is called) and for existing installations it is one time re-configuration of `package-archives'. May be for maintainers the story is different ... > How about ENE (ENE is Not ELPA)? ELPA seems like a generic term to me. It is an archive that stores emacs lisp packages. There could be multiple instantiantions of the archive (let's call them repositories) and GNU archives is one of it. Needless to say, each repo can enforce different gating policies or cater to a niche audience say like windows users. I think the term ELPA has become 'popular' only in recent years and it has not been around for so long that it is etched in people's memory. Furthermore there are other implementations that users use (like el-get) which more or less provides same functionality as the current package manager at their core. I would hesistate to call anything 'not something' unless 'something' happens to 'a very big thing' or 'a long standing thing' that it gets in the way of people thinking about it. Whatever be the name that is adopted, it should capture the 'uniqueness' of the underlying repo. ie., the name has to speak for itself or it could be something that is neutral (think 'savannah' for example). Just thinking as I type, something 'rooted' in savannah.gnu.org would create the right association. Or one could get play with names and end with one of of veldt, puszta, pampas, steppe, prairie ... Jambunathan K. > > Ted