From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: divya@subvertising.org Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs website, Lisp, and other Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2024 11:37:24 +0000 Message-ID: <81ad0094dfd15b7f2c5c51da0643bf7a@subvertising.org> References: <87sevj9b50.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <871q33rj7v.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87r0b3p7wq.fsf@dataswamp.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34656"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 05 13:38:33 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1saw2q-0008nl-AN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 05 Aug 2024 13:38:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1saw1x-0000BN-3a; Mon, 05 Aug 2024 07:37:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1saw1u-0000B8-TU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Aug 2024 07:37:35 -0400 Original-Received: from confino.investici.org ([2a11:7980:1::2:0]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1saw1r-0001wY-Qw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Aug 2024 07:37:34 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=subvertising.org; s=stigmate; t=1722857845; bh=M8lIU9FAa6KaDE6Be8QZRL/ZyL/381M43ktczMQpW7U=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=t2zbytFjLjCcdsNhWXQa0/RStbFVWZjuq8KrFsd/1AjX1k2yFUZ1nlZPaUCYol6XV YWkhyE+OvdlumSzw3jHDfB6UM3GNCXjXwWY8x4WgI9MLiz5L0bPoSfOS7kXlBGldlM U7E2faIGBw26V9ciyr0b8rb7bA9T2Z+19YNJE6Io= Original-Received: from 2.mail-backend.investici.org (unknown [10.0.0.12]) by confino.investici.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4WcvYd1BySz10v0 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2024 11:37:25 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: from 2.webmail.investici.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: divya@subvertising.org) by 2.mail-backend.investici.org (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4WcvYc6xyjz2xGF for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2024 11:37:24 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <87r0b3p7wq.fsf@dataswamp.org> X-Sender: divya@subvertising.org Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a11:7980:1::2:0; envelope-from=divya@subvertising.org; helo=confino.investici.org X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:322361 Archived-At: > Hardly. If anywhere, Lisp is stronger at universities. Hello, I've been reading the last few exchanges and this strikes to me as intriguing. Which univerisities are you aware of, other than the places where Felleisen, Friedman et.al (Racket folks) have been active to have a serious Lisp-based approach? You no longer have that in MIT in any serious capacity either, except a few grad PL Theory classes, one doesn't really interact with Lisp in any considerable capacity. And this is not really news, even Sussman (co-author of SICP, taught at MIT) acknowledged the wave of changing to Python from Lisp[0]. I find this dishonest in the least, to not acknowledge the existing conditions as they are. Regards, Divya [0]: https://cemerick.com/blog/2009/03/24/why-mit-now-uses-python-instead-of-scheme-for-its-undergraduate-cs-program.html