From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Mac OS-compatible ports Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 15:04:55 +0900 Message-ID: <81AE2085-13F7-4BF8-87A2-EFF57AF4D039@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp> References: <9E637EAB-A0C5-421B-9CCA-71C41442AF52@gmail.com> <87ipl7zaea.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87sjkbib14.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87d3baui4b.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87mxacqlg4.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87fwg3pfy4.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8739c2dscy.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87ehvkdgfr.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <2273100E-CEC7-4513-88A7-6DE60A86509E@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp> <4F00CDBB.307060 1@harpegolden.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1325484341 20826 80.91.229.12 (2 Jan 2012 06:05:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 06:05:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David De La Harpe Golden Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 02 07:05:30 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Rhb1V-0004k5-Ro for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 07:05:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57991 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rhb1V-0007kr-C4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 01:05:29 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:35293) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rhb1S-0007km-VI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 01:05:27 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rhb1R-0003nf-B2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 01:05:26 -0500 Original-Received: from mathmail.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp ([133.82.132.2]:49396) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rhb1Q-0003nZ-PN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Jan 2012 01:05:25 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.168.1.22] (p11249-ipad01akita.akita.ocn.ne.jp [220.104.219.249]) by mathmail.math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 77D82C055D; Mon, 2 Jan 2012 15:05:20 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <4F00CDBB.3070601@harpegolden.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: NetBSD 3.0 (DF) X-Received-From: 133.82.132.2 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:147155 Archived-At: On 2012/01/02, at 6:18, David De La Harpe Golden wrote: > I think it really would be a shame to break emacs GNUstep compat, = especially as it's clear from the above the GNUstep project is making = strong efforts to keep up with apple's modernisations (whatever your = opinion of apple as a company, purely technically I think most people = would agree objc2 blocks etc. are a really good thing for objc...). = Though maybe there could be greater separation in the code paths in = emacs, say separate 'gnustep and 'macosx window systems rather than a = unified 'ns, despite the seemingly large overlap. If GNUstep is going to such a direction that it adopts C APIs that are supported by both Mac OS X and iOS (e.g., Core Foundation, Core Graphics, Core Text and Image I/O), then many parts of the code of the Mac port will become usable also in GNUstep. As a result of transition to 64-bit and Cocoa GUI, many uses of C APIs in the Mac port already fall into this category. Of course, there will remain some Mac OS X-specific parts, and as it is shown by the current NS port status, practice will not always work as in theory. YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu mituharu@math.s.chiba-u.ac.jp