From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jambunathan K Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Google modules integration Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 15:04:03 +0530 Message-ID: <8139tfi9v8.fsf@gmail.com> References: <878w3a1x9s.fsf@keller.adm.naquadah.org> <81occ6zdnh.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1284284079 3673 80.91.229.12 (12 Sep 2010 09:34:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 09:34:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, carsten.dominik@gmail.com, julien@danjou.info To: Juanma Barranquero Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 12 11:34:36 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OuixE-0005Aj-Gk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 11:34:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45601 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OuixD-0003ME-O9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 05:34:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=35936 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ouix3-0003LE-BA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 05:34:22 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ouix2-0004Rw-6Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 05:34:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-px0-f169.google.com ([209.85.212.169]:46309) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ouix2-0004Re-2B; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 05:34:20 -0400 Original-Received: by pxi5 with SMTP id 5so3248067pxi.0 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 02:34:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:cc:subject:references :date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=lxpxeXQYf1AMo3caIcdMwJPQ+bHh56GStFPwROMX0wM=; b=PHXNv6am6ua8Yld8Bjs3OH+MSbuBX7ajOeYzyDF6ylxtgCvFxBeauJahmZQ57C/awC 0xyN56mbWWafGvQlh7qnqN6j4mLmBHW9qdG98SFvnHcaJLXYoCZ7ZHOIBw4jMS2qXMwT 5FzIzWJnkCluWbHGVdSadQRCJE06VdmFILkkM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ouMgSGtzi4RbSRN6mfVh/fp2wMzJDnDfMYOOsG6qGtXXRXs2JRIsO93ZEkm0C+5HwW TItoiPLjLgPOWGBJJaAxeBtdcfX+qVPvDw2O76FGQwCZw9yX1diQCCJgQIYd8LGA2D2z eNFvTzjOuDI2I8KWgQfYGdVVA7SxSxYmrPapg= Original-Received: by 10.142.166.4 with SMTP id o4mr465172wfe.199.1284284058611; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 02:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from JAMBU-NETBOOK ([115.184.2.3]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s34sm6566279wfc.20.2010.09.12.02.34.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 12 Sep 2010 02:34:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Juanma Barranquero's message of "Sun, 12 Sep 2010 03:42:40 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.91 (windows-nt) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:130004 Archived-At: Juanma Barranquero writes: > On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 02:36, Glenn Morris wrote: > >> =A0 =A0(b) using the Maps APIs. In this case, you understand and agree t= hat >> =A0 =A0Google will treat your use of the Maps APIs as acceptance of the = Terms >> =A0 =A0from that point onwards. > > IANAL, but it seems quite fishy. Assume you argue that you used the > APIs without reading that. Yeah, I know, ignorantia juris non excusat, > but that's not the law, that's a license agreement. So, what would be > your crime, "using an API without reading the license"? :-) > > (What I mean is, has someone really tried to defend that kind of > license on a tribunal? Did it work?) I agree that it is infeasible or futile for a big corporation to run behind individuals (possibly of no 'consequence'). That doesn't preclude the possibility that it wouldn't or couldn't happen as a practical deterrent or what the limits of liability would be. (If I can pay more damages, will they claim more damages? Don't know ...) I believe there are two things that came up in this thread worth making a note: 1. Using anonymous proxies so that Google couldn't nail the individual user [1]. 2. Google using the users to beef up it's database and there being no explicit policy on whether these databases would continue to remain publicly accessible [2]. That said, plugins under discussion are tools. When these tools are so simple as to be built with limited effort, withholding of the availability of the tool within the GNU's official distribution is unlikely to cause these tools to be hacked or easily available elsewhere. Let me also add that, as a small-time Emacs user, it is my moral obligation that I live without these tools from within the official distribution or package servers. I am willing to suffer some inconvenience for locating the package, building it myself or paying for it as a token of appreciation to how much value I have derived from software that comes from GNU's stable. There goes my 2 cents to the donation box :-). Jambunathan K.