Re: [emacs-nxml-mode] Re: nxml-mode, docbook, xinclude

Re: [emacs-nxml-mode] Re: nxml-mode, docbook, xinclude

[Lennart Borgman]

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Dave Pawson<dave.pawson@gmail.com> wrote:

>> It is included in the nxml-mode that comes with Emacs 23.
>>
>>
>>> docbook is available from sourceforge. With the schema
>>> for v5, from which the rnc can be added to nxml-mode
>>> with no problem.
>
> Then either pick up both versions, 4.5 and 5.0 (and keep
> them up to date I guess) or link to where the schemas
> can be picked up.

Could you please explain how we should handle this in Emacs? (I have
added Emacs Devel to the discussion.)

Re: Re: nxml-mode, docbook, xinclude

[Dave Pawson]

2009/8/7 Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>:
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Dave Pawson<dave.pawson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> It is included in the nxml-mode that comes with Emacs 23.
>>>
>>>
>>>> docbook is available from sourceforge. With the schema
>>>> for v5, from which the rnc can be added to nxml-mode
>>>> with no problem.
>>
>> Then either pick up both versions, 4.5 and 5.0 (and keep
>> them up to date I guess) or link to where the schemas
>> can be picked up.
>
> Could you please explain how we should handle this in Emacs? (I have
> added Emacs Devel to the discussion.)

Just my point. I don't think this should be an emacs issue
If you want docbook schema, html or any other schema
the end user should pick up that schema from the source
of that schema.

Hence my earlier comments.

I stated, the docbook v5 schema includes xinclude within it.

which is what the OP wanted, or was missing



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Re: Re: nxml-mode, docbook, xinclude

[Lennart Borgman]

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Dave Pawson<dave.pawson@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2009/8/7 Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>:
>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Dave Pawson<dave.pawson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> It is included in the nxml-mode that comes with Emacs 23.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> docbook is available from sourceforge. With the schema
>>>>> for v5, from which the rnc can be added to nxml-mode
>>>>> with no problem.
>>>
>>> Then either pick up both versions, 4.5 and 5.0 (and keep
>>> them up to date I guess) or link to where the schemas
>>> can be picked up.
>>
>> Could you please explain how we should handle this in Emacs? (I have
>> added Emacs Devel to the discussion.)
>
> Just my point. I don't think this should be an emacs issue
> If you want docbook schema, html or any other schema
> the end user should pick up that schema from the source
> of that schema.

Thanks. I see.

I really think they should be part of Emacs distribution (as they are
now) and wondered whether you have some suggestion regarding Docbook
4.5 and 5.0. There is now a schema for Docbook 4.2 in Emacs 22.

I know nothing about how to distinguish those in Emacs. How should the
schemas be named so that Emacs can pick the right version according to
the spec in the Docbook xml file?



> Hence my earlier comments.
>
> I stated, the docbook v5 schema includes xinclude within it.
>
> which is what the OP wanted, or was missing
>
>
>
> --
> Dave Pawson
> XSLT XSL-FO FAQ.
> Docbook FAQ.
> http://www.dpawson.co.uk
>


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Re: nxml-mode, docbook, xinclude

[Bruce Stephens]

Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> writes:

[...]

> I know nothing about how to distinguish those in Emacs. How should the
> schemas be named so that Emacs can pick the right version according to
> the spec in the Docbook xml file?

See etc/schema/schemas.xml, which nXML reads to try to find the schema
files.

[...]

Re: Re: nxml-mode, docbook, xinclude

[Dave Pawson]

2009/8/7 Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>:

>>> Could you please explain how we should handle this in Emacs? (I have
>>> added Emacs Devel to the discussion.)
>>
>> Just my point. I don't think this should be an emacs issue
>> If you want docbook schema, html or any other schema
>> the end user should pick up that schema from the source
>> of that schema.
>
> Thanks. I see.
>
> I really think they should be part of Emacs distribution (as they are
> now) and wondered whether you have some suggestion regarding Docbook
> 4.5 and 5.0. There is now a schema for Docbook 4.2 in Emacs 22.

4.5 is the current Oasis standard.
As I said, either keep up or simply tell people where docbook is.
How many schemas are you going to try and manage?

Suggest, if you want to track docbook schemas, you point people
to the appropriate place, not fall n versions behind.




>
> I know nothing about how to distinguish those in Emacs.

Perhaps that's another good reason not to attempt to provide
docbook schemas for the emacs package you're delivering?

How should the
> schemas be named so that Emacs can pick the right version according to
> the spec in the Docbook xml file?

You need to see nxml-mode... the original.
James explained it there.




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Re: Re: nxml-mode, docbook, xinclude

[Lennart Borgman]

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Dave Pawson<dave.pawson@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2009/8/7 Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>:
>
>>>> Could you please explain how we should handle this in Emacs? (I have
>>>> added Emacs Devel to the discussion.)
>>>
>>> Just my point. I don't think this should be an emacs issue
>>> If you want docbook schema, html or any other schema
>>> the end user should pick up that schema from the source
>>> of that schema.
>>
>> Thanks. I see.
>>
>> I really think they should be part of Emacs distribution (as they are
>> now) and wondered whether you have some suggestion regarding Docbook
>> 4.5 and 5.0. There is now a schema for Docbook 4.2 in Emacs 22.
>
> 4.5 is the current Oasis standard.
> As I said, either keep up or simply tell people where docbook is.
> How many schemas are you going to try and manage?
>
> Suggest, if you want to track docbook schemas, you point people
> to the appropriate place, not fall n versions behind.


It is a very good point to show them where to get the newest version
since Emacs and docbook schemas might not always be in sync. I think
that should be in the documentation for nxml-mode in Emacs.

But I think including schemas with Emacs is also very important. So I
would suggest checking this for every new Emacs release (to Emacs
Devel: Can we please put this in the to-do for new releases?).



>> I know nothing about how to distinguish those in Emacs.
>
> Perhaps that's another good reason not to attempt to provide
> docbook schemas for the emacs package you're delivering?
>
> How should the
>> schemas be named so that Emacs can pick the right version according to
>> the spec in the Docbook xml file?
>
> You need to see nxml-mode... the original.
> James explained it there.


Could you perhaps make a short summary? How do you yourself handle
this for example?


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Re: Re: nxml-mode, docbook, xinclude

[Dave Pawson]

2009/8/7 Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>:

>
> Could you perhaps make a short summary? How do you yourself handle
> this for example?
>

http://www.dpawson.co.uk/relaxng/nxml/schemaloc.html#d574e168


Full explanation in the documentation provided with
the original nxml-mode from JC

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Re: [emacs-nxml-mode] Re: nxml-mode, docbook, xinclude

[Lennart Borgman]

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Dave Pawson<dave.pawson@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2009/8/7 Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>:
>
>>
>> Could you perhaps make a short summary? How do you yourself handle
>> this for example?
>>
>
> http://www.dpawson.co.uk/relaxng/nxml/schemaloc.html#d574e168


Thanks. So a doctypePublicId could be used to distinguish different
Docbook versions?

On the OASIS site I see that they do not distinguish rng files for
different Docbook versions by file name, but by file path/location. Is
that a convenient way in nxml-mode? Can you use for example

  <typeId id="DocBook4.5" uri="docbook/dokbook4.5.rnc"/>



> Full explanation in the documentation provided with
> the original nxml-mode from JC
>
> --
> Dave Pawson
> XSLT XSL-FO FAQ.
> Docbook FAQ.
> http://www.dpawson.co.uk
>