From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bruce Stephens Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Guile in Emacs Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:14:11 +0100 Message-ID: <80r5mis5n0.fsf@tiny.isode.net> References: <4B8147A9.7030504@gmail.com> <87wrxrr4md.fsf@gnu.org> <3vsk8ecg6a.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <873a0euot4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <873a0cyv3r.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87aauiho3y.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <1271028837.6164.55.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <1271102739.6067.38.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <8039yz34ka.fsf@tiny.isode.net> <1271173887.6067.53.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1271241786 18988 80.91.229.12 (14 Apr 2010 10:43:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 10:43:06 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 14 12:43:05 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O203l-0002re-5b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:43:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56174 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O203k-0006Br-6O for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 06:43:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1O1zbv-0002OW-AI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 06:14:19 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=53852 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O1zbs-0002MI-DU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 06:14:18 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O1zbq-0002uM-R5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 06:14:16 -0400 Original-Received: from rufus.isode.com ([62.3.217.251]:47187) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O1zbq-0002uB-Iw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 06:14:14 -0400 Original-Received: from tiny.isode.net (shiny.isode.com [62.3.217.250]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPA id for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:14:11 +0100 Original-Received: by tiny.isode.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:14:11 +0100 X-Hashcash: 1:20:100414:emacs-devel@gnu.org::sYvMIG6dMhQbcyyB:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000007+Gw In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 13 Apr 2010 12:07:18 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:123620 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: [...] > What matters is that we reuse some existing implementation and benefit > from all the work done on it, so we don't have to spend time working on > the Elisp byte-compiler. > > I like the idea of Guile not because it's using a "standard preexisting > language with libraries and experienced coders", but because it'll give > us a bunch of hackers working on efficient implementation, > multithreading, ... That seems like a stronger argument to me. Back in 1995 (or thereabouts) using scheme for better interoperability with other GNU applications seemed a plausible argument, but I don't think that's how things have worked out. I doubt that replacing emacs lisp with scheme would have much impact for interoperability, though removing one extension language won't hurt. [...]