From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Can we go GTK-only? Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 13:32:14 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <80a328fa-0a6f-820c-c2ce-b5e717a90f0d@cs.ucla.edu> References: <24db2975-17ca-ad01-20c8-df12071fa89a@dancol.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1477600360 20155 195.159.176.226 (27 Oct 2016 20:32:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 20:32:40 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 To: Daniel Colascione , Emacs developers Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 27 22:32:36 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bzrLg-0003kB-Ts for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 27 Oct 2016 22:32:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44428 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bzrLj-0003sO-FL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 27 Oct 2016 16:32:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46962) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bzrLY-0003oI-UA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Oct 2016 16:32:21 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bzrLV-0008Rr-0v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Oct 2016 16:32:20 -0400 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:59632) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bzrLU-0008R4-RY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Oct 2016 16:32:16 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 270F1161064; Thu, 27 Oct 2016 13:32:15 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id sQ3T1NMjm5JH; Thu, 27 Oct 2016 13:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BA1B16106D; Thu, 27 Oct 2016 13:32:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id FRx8164u7KgU; Thu, 27 Oct 2016 13:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU (Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.64.200]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5244E161064; Thu, 27 Oct 2016 13:32:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <24db2975-17ca-ad01-20c8-df12071fa89a@dancol.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:208890 Archived-At: On 10/27/2016 12:54 PM, Daniel Colascione wrote: > As a stepping stone, we should at least remove support for the > no-toolkit, Motif, and Athena configurations. (Lucid I can understand.) How much would this stepping stone save us? Few people need or use those three configurations, so if deleting them simplifies Emacs maintenance considerably, it might be a win. Alternatively, how about if we change the GTK port to be more like the NS port? That is, we leave xterm.o, xfns.c, xselect.c etc. alone (except for removing the GTK-related parts), and have new source files gtkterm.c, gtkfns.c, gtkselect.c etc. as needed to support GTK. The GTK port would no longer define HAVE_X_WINDOWS. That way, the no-toolkit, Motif, and Athena configurations would still work, without getting in the way of GTK.