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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:216971 Archived-At: > On Jul 25, 2017, at 0:51, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >=20 >> From: Jean-Christophe Helary >> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 00:34:54 +0900 >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org >>=20 >> So we'd have to create and maintain as many files as there are = translations >=20 > No, because the file can be auto-generated: its contents is simple and > known in advance as soon as the target language is specified. But that's only a trick for one specific case. How is that different = from the code I modified in package.el ? I've just opened tutorial.el and found that we have functions there that = do not consider English is the default. Why not generalize that ? > Anyway, I think we should defer adding this directive until we have > the first translation of the first manual. It sounds wrong to me to > make preparations without having even a single client to benefit from > it. What I did on package.el was similar. Except for a few obvious errors, = the new strings only benefit potential translators that we'll only have = when the elisp strings are exposed for translation which is even further = down the localization road... Also, I *am* working on the documentation French translation and that's = why I found about this directive. If you want to see the French manual = to consider adding the directive I'm fine with that, but I honestly = consider that as a punishment rather as an incentive to contribute. Jean-Christophe=20=