From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Jean-Christophe Helary Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GNU Emacs raison d'etre Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 10:59:29 +0900 Message-ID: <806193B0-1248-4522-83F1-21FA8206C5A8@traduction-libre.org> References: <5230692c-c665-a330-7a12-e59fa25d97dd@gmail.com> <70bb51fd-447d-928c-4d69-1c9673a44471@online.de> <871rnnvmdx.fsf@red-bean.com> <87pnb7sira.fsf@red-bean.com> <06bcddd4-6991-e4f7-e944-93de14af263d@yandex.ru> <87h7wjsd8o.fsf@red-bean.com> <20897f01-122d-7f91-eac2-70f5ad75796f@yandex.ru> <87d077qfmm.fsf@red-bean.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="110995"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Karl Fogel , =?utf-8?Q?Andreas_R=C3=B6hler?= , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun May 17 04:00:41 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ja8bY-000So6-K5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 17 May 2020 04:00:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58720 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ja8bX-0007Cv-Kn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 16 May 2020 22:00:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34650) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ja8ab-0006br-Vk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 May 2020 21:59:42 -0400 Original-Received: from relay10.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.178.230]:45787) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ja8aa-00055b-2w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 May 2020 21:59:41 -0400 Original-Received: from [10.0.1.13] (pl6361.ag0304.nttpc.ne.jp [128.53.210.217]) (Authenticated sender: jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org) by relay10.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D7FA5240007; Sun, 17 May 2020 01:59:34 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.178.230; envelope-from=jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org; helo=relay10.mail.gandi.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/16 21:59:37 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250542 Archived-At: > On May 17, 2020, at 10:28, Dmitry Gutov wrote: >=20 >>> This part is expected of a professional tool, however, and the >>> experience for newcomers could be improved without taking away much >>> from the "oldies". See the 'transient' package, for example, = recently proposed for inclusion on emacs-devel. >> I don't have any experience using 'transient', so I'd need more = explanation from you to understand what you meant by that part. (I = tried to understand 'transient' from reading [2] and [3], but = unfortunately -- and somewhat surprisingly! -- the documentation at = those pages does not give a single concrete example of transient's use.) >=20 > You press 'C-x', wait a while - and it pops up a window with the = descriptions of all commands whose bindings start with 'C-x'. Same for = all other "incomplete" key sequences. Looks pretty handy for beginners. which-key seems to do something similar. I like it very much because it = helps see the rationale behind keybinding. After a while you get to = learn the bindings for the commands you use the most and you can easily = explore new commands. Jean-Christophe Helary ----------------------------------------------- http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune