From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Qiantan Hong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Question collaborative editing - Wikipedia reference Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 17:49:44 +0000 Message-ID: <80512E57-D3BA-4F02-A835-DEE434278736@mit.edu> References: <83eemji6e8.fsf@gnu.org> <20201001141144.GO4797@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201001160136.chwmpollk4d3qc2e@Ergus> <20201004175447.GG15516@protected.rcdrun.com> <87362tvnil.fsf@gmail.com> <20201004194815.GH15516@protected.rcdrun.com> <11EB917D-3276-4D34-8DCD-2336E8062950@mit.edu> <20201005040245.GJ15516@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201005084441.GB4453@protected.rcdrun.com> <87zh50lhda.fsf@red-bean.com> <87pn5vgqsk.fsf@red-bean.com> <79924DB1-2613-4AF6-982C-39157CF3ED9B@mit.edu> <8C2D2AED-0AA8-48AC-ADB2-826177141F2F@gmail.com> <40B06E9F-A6D6-4F9B-8E2B-7DC55D16D0F7@mit.edu> <18458910-E6A1-4867-9936-FFA50E3E72D1@gmail.com> <4AB5904E-A646-4A17-B78C-B4E0271E28B4@mit.edu> <87imbjx0bm.fsf@tanaka.verona.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1A2C3D39-E5FD-4DA3-8326-A684B6B1708A"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4792"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Yuan Fu , Fermin , Jean Louis , Caio Henrique , Ergus , "joakim@verona.se" , Noam Postavsky , Karl Fogel , Stefan Monnier , Eli Zaretskii , Emacs developers To: Joe Corneli Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 11 19:50:55 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kRfUl-00018Z-G7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 19:50:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35790 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRfUk-0001Bv-EJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 13:50:54 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59372) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRfTq-0000dg-07 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 13:49:58 -0400 Original-Received: from outgoing-exchange-3.mit.edu ([18.9.28.13]:54232) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRfTn-0003fz-Kz; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 13:49:57 -0400 Original-Received: from w92exedge4.exchange.mit.edu (W92EXEDGE4.EXCHANGE.MIT.EDU [18.7.73.16]) by outgoing-exchange-3.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id 09BHnc60009270; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 13:49:45 -0400 Original-Received: from oc11expo16.exchange.mit.edu (18.9.4.47) by w92exedge4.exchange.mit.edu (18.7.73.16) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1293.2; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 13:49:41 -0400 Original-Received: from oc11expo16.exchange.mit.edu (18.9.4.47) by oc11expo16.exchange.mit.edu (18.9.4.47) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1365.1; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 13:49:44 -0400 Original-Received: from oc11expo16.exchange.mit.edu ([18.9.4.47]) by oc11expo16.exchange.mit.edu ([18.9.4.47]) with mapi id 15.00.1365.000; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 13:49:44 -0400 Thread-Topic: Question collaborative editing - Wikipedia reference Thread-Index: AQHWnhdR4LjU6k9HIUyZcJcFcadSFqmPiGSAgANsSQA= In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [18.18.245.17] Received-SPF: pass client-ip=18.9.28.13; envelope-from=qhong@mit.edu; helo=outgoing-exchange-3.mit.edu X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/11 13:49:52 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Windows 7 (Websense crawler) X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257382 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail=_1A2C3D39-E5FD-4DA3-8326-A684B6B1708A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I=E2=80=99m now experimenting those in my local copy. (2) I=E2=80=99m able to synchronize overlays between Emacsen now, and as a result, e.g. org-cycle now get synced between Emacsen. There=E2=80=99s a few choice to make though: - what=E2=80=99s a reasonable way to decide what overlays to sync? I=E2=80=99m currently deciding it based on the command that create = the overlay (only overlay created during executing a customizable set of commands=20= are tracked). Is there better way? - similar question to text property. Also about (1), what do you think a a good format? I have two design in mind: a) share a full directory, probably making use of projectile (however projectile is not in Emacs itself but I=E2=80=99d wish crdt.el get = included in the future) b)=01 share a =E2=80=9Cworkspace=E2=80=9D with flat namespace. Server = can decide which buffer to add to it. (And if they're UNIX fan they=E2=80=99ll = write a function to add a directory). I like flat namespace, but to make it useful it=E2=80=99d better has some tagging mechanism, and I feel like = there=E2=80=99s too many wheels to reinvent. Another problem is how to allow clients creating new file (maybe don=E2=80=99t?) > On Oct 9, 2020, at 9:33 AM, Joe Corneli = wrote: >=20 > Hi Qiantan and all, >=20 > As a basic solution for pairing =E2=80=94 before your nice software = appeared recently =E2=80=94 we were using lockstep.el. >=20 > One cool feature of lockstep is that you share the whole Emacs = session. This is useful for workflows that involve > lots of files and buffers (e.g., consider using it alongside = Projectile, or Org Roam). Access to the shell or Helm is > transparent, for example. >=20 > One downside I noticed recently is that having multiple emacsclients = working on the same set of files seems to > interfere with Org Roam, with regard to syncing the database (... = still investigating that). This is a problem that > would not come up with crdt.el b/c it manages syncing at the buffer = level, not the file level! >=20 > All this leads to some possible feature requests for crdt. >=20 > (1) Would it make sense for a future version of crdt.el to also manage = a list of files (like Projectile or Gobby?). =20 > (2) Would it make sense for a future version of crdt.el to sync not = just buffers... but also commands and windows (like lockstep?) >=20 > I realise it's still early days, so I don't want to distract w/ these = questions. >=20 > Joe --Apple-Mail=_1A2C3D39-E5FD-4DA3-8326-A684B6B1708A Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgEFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCCA70w ggO5MIIDIqADAgECAhAaql39NsO1qLVjkS2hl517MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBCwUAMGwxCzAJBgNVBAYT AlVTMRYwFAYDVQQIEw1NYXNzYWNodXNldHRzMS4wLAYDVQQKEyVNYXNzYWNodXNldHRzIEluc3Rp dHV0ZSBvZiBUZWNobm9sb2d5MRUwEwYDVQQLEwxDbGllbnQgQ0EgdjEwHhcNMjAwODAzMDEyNDIz WhcNMjEwODAxMDEyNDIzWjCBoTELMAkGA1UEBhMCVVMxFjAUBgNVBAgTDU1hc3NhY2h1c2V0dHMx LjAsBgNVBAoTJU1hc3NhY2h1c2V0dHMgSW5zdGl0dXRlIG9mIFRlY2hub2xvZ3kxFTATBgNVBAsT DENsaWVudCBDQSB2MTEVMBMGA1UEAxMMUWlhbnRhbiBIb25nMRwwGgYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFg1xaG9u Z0BNSVQuRURVMIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEAylUlEQdK4BSXKzoGh6As CKN/TpLmC0kjhPdxUKMj1/86Xl6GDCla4h95uISDOWVAKdu3cIlA8m9zRLT2jNEIkt1DVpXP6c9h y8RRyfJm0qlrvr6tsHi5AmO4Li6s2dEGaTxbakPL6vEn7ZYr86t5orq56nubki77Z8ZvRv9/fWdF bF/YBNGDayLNk0NbXIEQdCHiz1l+bxfw+GHHRmdOge3MKWSg463+GGMdxtLQ61AbtR2vm47FIJBt c0X6ptcInWUg4Nf/9vSNGl6KvREvfbEWKCT6TfL5ncIFlitf6ZWKue2PZ4ULFfIQ3/7EsEk03xxr S7sTOy7e2dbPboe/WwIDAQABo4GhMIGeMAkGA1UdEwQCMAAwEQYJYIZIAYb4QgEBBAQDAgWgMB0G A1UdJQQWMBQGCCsGAQUFBwMEBggrBgEFBQcDAjALBgNVHQ8EBAMCBeAwHQYDVR0OBBYEFDeb9Jlj XSm+y0CD872IhzRDIGv1MDMGA1UdHwQsMCowKKAmoCSGImh0dHA6Ly9jYS5taXQuZWR1L2NhL21p dGNsaWVudC5jcmwwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQELBQADgYEApBTx4tBbD5rQ+bNGd/Z3OBV07qFsm5QHNg0+ 6lxJ3j7q5zMMq35o6y5cBIhcFG6t+MFqJIdERZ3EprDturyqozQsIBMHFnqh+iZcMg0uQyssEqKZ hrzIdw8GuY4Z6jNewdGy5mwwG9yjpEbzWWgdofSM5rnezZz7EvCQu9ilt1sxggNDMIIDPwIBATCB gDBsMQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzEWMBQGA1UECBMNTWFzc2FjaHVzZXR0czEuMCwGA1UEChMlTWFzc2Fj aHVzZXR0cyBJbnN0aXR1dGUgb2YgVGVjaG5vbG9neTEVMBMGA1UECxMMQ2xpZW50IENBIHYxAhAa ql39NsO1qLVjkS2hl517MA0GCWCGSAFlAwQCAQUAoIIBkzAYBgkqhkiG9w0BCQMxCwYJKoZIhvcN AQcBMBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEPFw0yMDEwMTExNzQ5NDRaMC8GCSqGSIb3DQEJBDEiBCA6FlccoZPS yKX2uxBNjFpJGHw+0Fe4uNEFT8WgxhceEDCBkQYJKwYBBAGCNxAEMYGDMIGAMGwxCzAJBgNVBAYT AlVTMRYwFAYDVQQIEw1NYXNzYWNodXNldHRzMS4wLAYDVQQKEyVNYXNzYWNodXNldHRzIEluc3Rp dHV0ZSBvZiBUZWNobm9sb2d5MRUwEwYDVQQLEwxDbGllbnQgQ0EgdjECEBqqXf02w7WotWORLaGX nXswgZMGCyqGSIb3DQEJEAILMYGDoIGAMGwxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlVTMRYwFAYDVQQIEw1NYXNzYWNo dXNldHRzMS4wLAYDVQQKEyVNYXNzYWNodXNldHRzIEluc3RpdHV0ZSBvZiBUZWNobm9sb2d5MRUw EwYDVQQLEwxDbGllbnQgQ0EgdjECEBqqXf02w7WotWORLaGXnXswDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQAEggEA FZYWZ0q7ax413O2/T7JfvcoTDcsmo68DqdJrObP7LQRwASbSiq8SHvuykL9LtxPzpKhu0+wHvu60 VzbYXGxoadl/LG4CUgUz5PuIBs1b07rLAMCaAuW14zZadW1S2bsxzKFJM8IOyS1NCYqNALQiOtE8 6H+y4IRTNWsmaof9ZZXOIuvzRa4K7oKWymaaKEBn9LZY+lSpCEJvmLNE2tYPw2iCd0E0t2CesJUF HYFBKwnv3GJN7xG2ReD12KEXBURCIv+XaHD8ETCZHzr2CZ0EvyV4etReCMnHXI8ZGres/bvmM82o Jv50K8S2BZHf5pLgPqBM4jo67yTVzRyz/PRA7wAAAAAAAA== --Apple-Mail=_1A2C3D39-E5FD-4DA3-8326-A684B6B1708A--