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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249633 Archived-At: On 09/05/2020 19.19, Dmitry Gutov wrote: > On 10.05.2020 01:23, Clément Pit-Claudel wrote: >> On 09/05/2020 17.49, Dmitry Gutov wrote: >>> On 09.05.2020 22:55, Clément Pit-Claudel wrote: >>>> Let's not be too hasty with calling the debate silly.  I don't use either lsp-mode or eglot but I do see strong opinions in favor of both, and "blessing" one as official, especially a (currently) less popular one, can cause sour feelings and give the perception that emacs-devel is being insular. >>> In principle, I disagree: as long as Eglot is maintained and works well, we*should*  present it as "blessed", and we can do that in introduction videos, documentation, tutorials, etc. >> But why more than lsp-mode? > > Because they choose to participate in the "core" Emacs development very little? Oh? I thought we chose to exclude them by writing a competing package instead of trying to bring them aboard. What does it mean for an external package to participate in the core Emacs development? > And because they chose not to get included in GNU ELPA, which would be a "reward" in itself (oob availability for new users). We couldn't mention packages not in GNU ELPA in documentation as prominently anyway. Really? The only thing I could find is https://github.com/emacs-lsp/lsp-mode/issues/83, where the general opinion is that it would be good for lsp-mode to be in core, until they (mistakenly) seem to conclude that eglot is in core already. What am I missing? > We couldn't mention packages not in GNU ELPA in documentation as prominently anyway. Why? Is the policy that it's bad to endorse code not *owned* by the FSF?