From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eli Zaretskii" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gtk version getting closer Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:21:20 +0300 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <8011-Tue12Nov2002202119+0200-eliz@is.elta.co.il> References: <200211121231.gACCV1MU030709@stubby.bodenonline.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1037201032 20056 80.91.224.249 (13 Nov 2002 15:23:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 15:23:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18BzCQ-00046K-00 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:13:02 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18BzON-00066k-01 for ; Wed, 13 Nov 2002 16:25:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Bftq-0002lo-00; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:36:34 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 18Bfed-0000cP-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:20:51 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 18Bfea-0000bt-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:20:50 -0500 Original-Received: from odin.inter.net.il ([192.114.186.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18BfeW-0000ZS-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:20:44 -0500 Original-Received: from zaretsky (adsl-ayalon-pc-128-162.inter.net.il [213.8.128.162]) by odin.inter.net.il (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.2.1-GA) with ESMTP id ASU21247; Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:20:39 +0200 (IST) Original-To: jan.h.d@swipnet.se X-Mailer: emacs 21.3.50 (via feedmail 8 I) and Blat ver 1.8.9 In-reply-to: <200211121231.gACCV1MU030709@stubby.bodenonline.com> (jan.h.d@swipnet.se) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:9339 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:9339 > From: "Jan D." > Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 13:34:06 +0100 (MET) > > Maybe the help texts should be reviewed and expanded/removed as a > result? Yes, of course. > Also, there is the problem with inconsistency. Some menu items have > tips, other doesn't as pointed out elsewhere. I do agree with the > view that the user might think something is broken when no tips > appear for some things. For submenus there are no tips. I think most of the problems are with menus defined by packages outside menu-bar.el. In particular, packages maintained by their own maintainers. I do agree that consistency is important (provided that we agree about what should tooltips in menus do ;-). > I do think tips can have a negative effect on menu item strings. It is > too easy to make a menu with cryptic strings and then fully explain the > items in the tip instead. The main reason for tooltips in menus is that menu items are usually limited in length. Tooltips can be longer, especially since the font used for them is (or should be) smaller.