From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187644 Archived-At: > > But I'm not sure that what you say is true of "any other pairs", > > where pair is regarded as two chars that we might consider using > > as code/key phrase bookends. > > > > I'm thinking of the pair ` and ', for instance. Not exact mirror > > images by any means, but workable. >=20 > No, they aren't. Here's how this will look in a right-to-left > paragraph: >=20 > `=D7=90=D7=91=D7=92' >=20 > (If this doesn't show in your mailer flushed all the way to the > right edge of the window, save this as a text file and visit that > file in Emacs.) >=20 > > The point is that there might well be such pairs that are not > > problematic for Bidi >=20 > I don't think so. For them to not be problematic, they need to be > "mirrored" at display time -- and that only happens with characters > in BidiBrackets.txt. >=20 > > Anyway, I'm not looking for a different pair from `...'. If > > someone finds one that satisfies the criteria, I'm open to it, of > > course. >=20 > Any pair in BidiBrackets.txt will do. The question is: do we want > to use any of them? I don't have an answer to that. Good to know. So I guess you are saying that we already have a Bidi problem wrt `...'. And I guess your last question asks whether we care about what happens to code enveloping by a char pair when RtL is involved.