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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:305814 Archived-At: On 04.05.23 02:12, Po Lu wrote: >>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The title of iconified or minimized frames is d= etermined by >=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > X does not use the term ``minimized''.=C2=A0 We prefer just ``iconified'= '. I=E2=80=99m afraid =E2=80=9Cwe=E2=80=9D includes me =E2=80=94 because I=E2= =80=99m old. So old in fact that I (barely) remember mwm being able to turn top-level windows into icons and back. Those were the days=E2=80=A6 ;-) But I don=E2=80=99t actually remember the last window manager I used that = used this feature. Might actually have been mwm. The last decade or so GNOME 2 and then MATE minimized my windows into the Window List panel applet. So I can see the window=E2=80=99s title changing when it is minimized or restored, = which is a rather uncommon =E2=80=9Cfeature=E2=80=9D in this desktop environment. PS: there=E2=80=99s also =E2=80=9Cshaded=E2=80=9D these days=E2=80=A6 :-p