From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2021 21:00:51 +0000 Message-ID: <7e12c1c3c17906f991cf@heytings.org> References: <7ef75c33936136eb3a20@heytings.org> <87tuqmli7l.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2807"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 09 00:46:39 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l9GEo-0000an-5X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 00:46:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43688 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9GEn-0004oH-7F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2021 18:46:37 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58042) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9DeZ-0003Ne-Ol for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2021 16:01:05 -0500 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:42306) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9DeO-0003rx-SS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2021 16:01:02 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20210101; t=1612818051; bh=QyboN95pDQuA2yxbUu/f6T1xAWM8jV37Hx6mRvkkBUI=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=VWSR5rhi7aktL0SsQAziSSBy3Wil2+v6zGfykmL46w8QZVaqUDOyery/AqrSUjVi5 Usnr20yImk7VNDmW9L/MYtXLUw8BCgxstteLltF6GJpoBzn6/Xy0wS5xAJBV7IBG6b a8SJ1FbCtg+DLMlEpKvMA8PNod+4HzKjP4Vm4fqDnF+R7j4ab1/2jJZWVXXmo/9u2d kkTxysSwCbQhs4gmU1Cd4HijwJmMahEjlS9whIVhvQ5gRzeeJ4wEWffynUFxz1O6H4 h7Y7ImeYGVvCJ79JWxbYcJ92/z4b8GhDEBiFwlNLLmvTo/4t0z05sgRLtD6xUb6+Dv HSmylx/zkpPfg== In-Reply-To: <87tuqmli7l.fsf@gnus.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.142.160.155; envelope-from=gregory@heytings.org; helo=heytings.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264190 Archived-At: >> (But I personally still maintain that `C-z' should just be changed to >> `undo'.) > > The problem is that `C-z' is really useful in a terminal, and having the > keystrokes diverge to a great degree between GUI Emacs and terminal > Emacs would be unfortunate. > Indeed, C-z is useful in terminals, even though suspend-frame is also available on C-x C-z. Terminals are the reason why the proposal mentions that C-z C-z would be (the only) reserved binding in that keymap. Repeating a key until it produces the expected effect is something terminal users are habituated to do (for example repeating C-c until the program aborts).