From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: Repurpose one key and reserve it for third-party packages Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2021 21:00:18 +0000 Message-ID: <7e12c1c3c1566a4715eb@heytings.org> References: <7ef75c33936136eb3a20@heytings.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10520"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 09 00:48:20 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l9GGS-0002bn-Ab for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 00:48:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49222 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9GGR-00079C-C9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2021 18:48:19 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57822) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9Ddw-00038T-6n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2021 16:00:25 -0500 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:42274) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l9Ddt-0003g2-4f; Mon, 08 Feb 2021 16:00:23 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20210101; t=1612818018; bh=Le/zMhjZmsj3fpMhZzQCZl61AZjZsprxAVR8ESdit+k=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=KbxDPICU8o7jWAjfayqfSglSDqXH3qK1nguju4vHu3OT8qTcAmPeZBRTS6V6DzakU b7JjVzRl7pc5VJduv4nkkaZES9Y3XQfNUQc0m3wOYo0fXlvl7E6m4fXbD5qQubGXBB bxmpb/ANzODe953bfyLyM+PhfpMm2MFBs3DmvQgPUOf5LYTSor2gLw3+paRpaKYvsj vfFdNzarokmhewF0q3gMd2gUUoZvQLzhWTavMjhmQc2ragcay9S1lJkFwCfz1bjEMn +bp4veBqH4OOvScPoz2r/vdEmU0dxChFmsUPon7gz/s3tmh9w2THVOwbeKyHn2O3Is ewGwRr8fD+txQ== In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.142.160.155; envelope-from=gregory@heytings.org; helo=heytings.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264191 Archived-At: > > I think that these changes for C-z, M-z and C-o would be a big pain in > the neck. > Could you perhaps elaborate a bit what you mean by this? For example, why would typing "C-z C-z" instead of "C-z" to suspend, something you presumably don't do once a minute, be "a big pain in the neck"? There is a problem in need for a solution. If nobody agrees to make small concessions it will forever remain a problem, with on the one hand repeated conflicts and animosity between Emacs and package developers, and on the other hand unnecessary complexity to install packages for Emacs users.