From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Mathias Dahl" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Info tutorial is out of date Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 00:57:00 +0200 Message-ID: <7dbe73ed0607161557l76a28fa1x6a9cabf1a4b4cc71@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060716090816.GA1167@muc.de> <20060716233525.GA1369@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1153090637 6463 80.91.229.2 (16 Jul 2006 22:57:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:57:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Drew Adams , Emacs-Devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 17 00:57:16 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2FY3-00007k-W0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 00:57:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2FY3-0004UE-CB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:57:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G2FXr-0004R2-2O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:57:03 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G2FXp-0004Om-HG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:57:02 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2FXp-0004Oh-FP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:57:01 -0400 Original-Received: from [64.233.182.191] (helo=nf-out-0910.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G2FaM-000845-Hj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:59:38 -0400 Original-Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l24so645376nfc for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:57:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DMMNlH2tIyh7/CAcwdKnyZB1fQI1p6ZWfpHotIx/1GzFX7nnePHuVDy0+7zUj/7AsKap+2ONz+0naqEldhr4pBMRERqyXtvGy3wpzQimc7y0v6gp5zSX/IGaveGAP8x9xRaOyWXm/sWnDV+ksKvPlEvbvBuhE0s6T3IJ678wKsQ= Original-Received: by 10.49.1.15 with SMTP id d15mr1458246nfi; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.48.248.13 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Original-To: "Alan Mackenzie" In-Reply-To: <20060716233525.GA1369@muc.de> Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:57131 Archived-At: > > Key bindings *are* shortcuts - what's wrong with that? 1) They are > > commonly called "keyboard shortcuts" by many people. 2) They are > > shorter (quicker) to use than clicking menus and links with a mouse - > > don't you agree? They are shorter (quicker) than using `M-x' - don't > > you agree? What is it about "shortcut" that sets you off? > > It's one of those sort of words/phrases so beloved of > journalists/salesmen/politicians that can be used to denigrate something, > yet the j/s/p, when called on it, can convincingly pretend it was totally > innocent and factual, as you have done in the preceding paragraph. I understood Drew perfectly and I did not stop a second thinking that he might have used it in a "journalist" sense. The reason is probably that he and me have always used the same name for it, "keyboard shortcut". Of all the things I have heard people call this during the ten years I have been using computers professionally, this is the most common of them (I use Windows at work). In the Emacs world, "key sequence" is probably more correct, at least technically.