From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Deniz Dogan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs for new users Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:13:21 +0100 Message-ID: <7b501d5c0912010113v6e1f913dgb797db85729a6849@mail.gmail.com> References: <912155b0911230837i48326730m82e0d54d4004be59@mail.gmail.com> <4p4rt6-2ne.ln1@lesharris.com> <87vdh19cls.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <877ht7bp21.fsf@kobe.laptop> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1259658843 28870 80.91.229.12 (1 Dec 2009 09:14:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:14:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Chong Yidong , Lennart Borgman , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Giorgos Keramidas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 01 10:13:55 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NFOny-0001IR-8c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:13:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40091 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NFOnx-0004qV-Hf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:13:53 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NFOns-0004qQ-QS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:13:48 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NFOno-0004pf-AR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:13:48 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=55599 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NFOno-0004pc-78 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:13:44 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ew0-f224.google.com ([209.85.219.224]:42147) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NFOno-0005pz-10 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:13:44 -0500 Original-Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so5120584ewy.26 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:13:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=eU4oKwfGhYB5OzpPMtLHNv2hjoG7rFKb6tWHzfgiRcg=; b=fdbi6yR5slFUWPrkiHiEO0WVTAdq54IqqCm9hM0sno4jWF/DFrzckfq396V5lDRmM9 1w4LU2PBXzM+EgjRMm7efZtpDPADuV1bX6OV8r8sIef+5Hwz3sYaI2F6IJwsR8esq0CQ 8ejNcRHv1YvRPOh/tsZKa5hCGCrI1wGKfdUHo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=G/fY71SrC4N0F9CF1cTaMA1Cfigv2XmFS3Oogxv934jSYUlm26lqGEe3ylR1wZzZK8 1X5rOjbPsFzoSocrvQOIXP5lZhrRZiYT2w9SReeXhzR0m8fntI3nPvSM+Nwx9Aqqyd9e 6H5oXyw1bqt0HKE2iyan7oqzoiWwIaGmz6CoQ= Original-Received: by 10.213.25.76 with SMTP id y12mr2688331ebb.26.1259658821437; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:13:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <877ht7bp21.fsf@kobe.laptop> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:118028 Archived-At: 2009/11/30 Giorgos Keramidas : > On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:04:47 -0500, Chong Yidong = wrote: >>Lennart Borgman writes: >>>> With that said, I think a solution to the learning-emacs-in-classroom = and >>>> emacs-for-new-users problems is the same: include a .emacs which turns >>>> on things like CUA mode to make operation more familiar. >>> >>> The problem is that it does not work as good as it could in all >>> situations. Since CUA is not the default not so much effort in >>> getting rid of all ruogh things. Not that you can't work around them, >>> but it is not so easy for a newcomer. >> >> The primary barrier to CUA is that it destroys the long-established >> standard that C-c LETTER is free for binding to Emacs user commands. >> >> So we won't be moving to CUA any time soon. =A0For those that want it, >> it's just a click away on the Options menu. > > CUA also interferes in a non-trivial manner with `C-x', which is used > far more often than `C-c'. =A0I am always annoyed a bit when I start > typing `C-x C-f' but pause half-way through to think of a good name for > a new buffer, only to notice that a region has just been killed. =A0Oops! > > Having said that I like CUA mode a lot (especially the rectangular > selection mode and region highlighting). =A0It is useful even when Emacs > runs inside xterm windows, so it is enabled more often than not in my > Emacs sessions of late. > > I only use the rectangle part of CUA selection mode. I don't see why the recangle part is in that mode in the first place, as I'm sure many non-CUA enthusiasts would like to use it. I wasn't even aware that it existed and was for too long somewhat dissatisfied with the standard rectangles of Emacs. So this is off-topic, but why is the "new" rectangle functionality part of = CUA? --=20 Deniz Dogan