From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Deniz Dogan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-j considered harmful (not really) Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:53:04 +0100 Message-ID: <7b501d5c0911221253h30a354fqd3d53080a5a903c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <912155b0911161437l7d5d5d3h790edff279fdad7a@mail.gmail.com> <7b501d5c0911161451s3e54e48dve127bd144f2affc8@mail.gmail.com> <877htpjwd4.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <912155b0911221236t7cebbb35n4bc10805bb685c1e@mail.gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1258923220 25065 80.91.229.12 (22 Nov 2009 20:53:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:53:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juri Linkov , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Per_Starb=E4ck?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 22 21:53:32 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NCJR6-0003rY-EJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:53:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55240 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NCJR6-0004OX-2C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:53:32 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NCJR1-0004O8-0q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:53:27 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NCJR0-0004Nw-G4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:53:26 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=37640 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NCJR0-0004Nt-Bq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:53:26 -0500 Original-Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.78.149]:15031) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NCJQz-0004de-U8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:53:26 -0500 Original-Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 3so1592896eyh.34 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:53:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=EO3bdbFTXL9U3F55DZx8gNb+wpc0al+cYszcgAD3wcQ=; b=Po+r3hrPYlqGMTLUa9qN9bJrcECGTZR9pAf7J0h2L5WhElO05nFsK38rkgB5xwxfTn bryh1ZwdPYq0RR/BLgEtGs0AZ/5eV7qJEOWQeCXhT4l3PTjnFeenvR4b/GZhqEQ1V9po 8evJP7KqOkwQwJg7zB8OIo1czz5+aDXZIauao= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=cuq0QT4QqAZvPQLO5EMJGIqoPtuX/pUWkgFBnRfFgIwnaxIdpoG04of6JfABG6TEpH M3wT1+vf+2VO/0XZUJHG3lmZ82o3BQw6+R0UI8y+UQLni6lU34iwjlbNzgBcJHsf7OOp wMsErZNSpf+TrPjp9bw23kRwV7fKIJQapuRfE= Original-Received: by 10.213.23.146 with SMTP id r18mr3971940ebb.79.1258923204183; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:53:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <912155b0911221236t7cebbb35n4bc10805bb685c1e@mail.gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:117507 Archived-At: 2009/11/22 Per Starb=E4ck : > 2009/11/17 Juri Linkov : >>>> That key should be used in I-search with the same meaning as C-j has >>>> now, and should >>>> be possible to use instead of C-q C-j to enter a newline in minibuffer >>>> input. Maybe >>>> could be used for this? > >> In IM clients, S-RET inserts newline, and RET accepts input. > > Evidently is used to insert newlines in lots of programs. > I've just searched > for "shift-return" and "shift-enter" on the web and seen many examples. > > After reconsidering this I then suggest just that should be > usable as an alternative to C-j. > > * nice for those who are used to that from other programs > * easier to remember for most new users > * I realize now I would like it personally as well. I used the > linefeed key a lot back when I used a vt100, > but nowadays I have keyboards without a linefeed key, like most of > them are. I could use C-j but I find > myself typing RET TAB far more often. I think it would be easier to > learn to linefeed-deprived fingers to > sneak in a shift with the RET. > * Since isn't always available it should probably not be > used for some new command anyway, > so this is as good a use of it as there is. > I still think we should have an alternative to C-j which works in -nw as well, which is not the case with S-RET. --=20 Deniz Dogan