From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Deniz Dogan Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-j considered harmful (not really) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:51:57 +0100 Message-ID: <7b501d5c0911161451s3e54e48dve127bd144f2affc8@mail.gmail.com> References: <912155b0911161437l7d5d5d3h790edff279fdad7a@mail.gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1258412072 26184 80.91.229.12 (16 Nov 2009 22:54:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:54:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Per_Starb=E4ck?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 16 23:54:23 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NAASk-0003sN-Jm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:54:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42205 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NAASk-0006YN-0l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:54:22 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NAAQp-0005dn-PO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:52:23 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NAAQk-0005d2-VH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:52:23 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=52344 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NAAQk-0005cz-LR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:52:18 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-fx0-f225.google.com ([209.85.220.225]:43235) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NAAQk-0005il-8h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:52:18 -0500 Original-Received: by fxm25 with SMTP id 25so1165113fxm.26 for ; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:52:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=d9ABfwElx+hU0V32OD8I3delJDQTSPGAzKy1L5FdULY=; b=GSneV85UBv1tKi8REuk0V+tzdfCOFpp4q32LyoAZw2NZUnI8+qB6H1QPt0O1uN/2jU T2jRhNem7XxLUS4rbLBO7X/3BkCM8MYpx2BKvqxelYg3Qpn2AfrCTPO9ghiUarmbcOg+ fCJj3UBkzSKmFE47eqPtSb1JSoDFJU77110F8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=qfgypbRG+8nNi7ADzs+DKj9nFpt68HttOlVm2vy2QRW3/L9roZN3Vt2HCcWIzb0p+r lu7GvUV8R8FMMRnBDLw9Q40r3yv6ZoIwf+0rNGrvNo4nEFIB3t2tx9MUoSOXH7t2PiOM zm+dF3RptaS43Sidfoy2FeexRaFRJhecmtePs= Original-Received: by 10.213.25.66 with SMTP id y2mr2109087ebb.54.1258411937115; Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:52:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <912155b0911161437l7d5d5d3h790edff279fdad7a@mail.gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:117053 Archived-At: 2009/11/16 Per Starb=E4ck : > 2009/11/16 Per Starb=E4ck : >> 2009/11/16 David De La Harpe Golden : > >>> So, ^I for TAB, ^H for backspace, ^[ for escape etc. >> >> Sure, but I don't like that to be prerequisite knowledge for using Emacs= . > > Which brings me to another point. There is at least one such > correspondence that Emacs > users are supposed to know about, that I think is unnecessary, and > that is C-j =3D LF =3D \n. > That is used for example in I-search and in arguments to query-replace et= c. > > I would like some alternative way to enter newline in arguments, > something having to > do with since that's the key actually associated with "new > line" for all > those you don't know their ASCII. > > That key should be used in I-search with the same meaning as C-j has > now, and should > be possible to use instead of C-q C-j to enter a newline in minibuffer > input. Maybe > could be used for this? > > Then this would be an alternative just for people with window systems, > but I think people > who would benefit from this almost always have a window system anyway. > > > How about M-RET instead? That works in non-windowed Emacs as well and seems to be unbound by default. --=20 Deniz Dogan