From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master has switched from Automake to GNU Make Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 09:26:55 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <7aa093e4-6cc2-9460-316f-930d11606c4e@cs.ucla.edu> References: <58CB9F6B.5080806@gmx.at> <83h92sz2j9.fsf@gnu.org> <58CBAEB7.5030601@gmx.at> <58CBBC6C.8000104@gmx.at> <83var7yaaf.fsf@gnu.org> <83tw6ry95e.fsf@gnu.org> <1e5e3b16-00a3-f483-a533-811bcabf6de8@cs.ucla.edu> <83r31vxbco.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1489854434 13023 195.159.176.226 (18 Mar 2017 16:27:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 16:27:14 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.0 Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 18 17:27:08 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cpHC3-0002Sb-HV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2017 17:27:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53980 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cpHC9-0007Xq-JT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2017 12:27:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46373) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cpHC3-0007Xi-7W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2017 12:27:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cpHC2-0002Qi-Df for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Mar 2017 12:27:03 -0400 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:42002) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cpHBy-0002Lu-MI; Sat, 18 Mar 2017 12:26:58 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3D0416006D; Sat, 18 Mar 2017 09:26:56 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id YB_qrA0Dk08L; Sat, 18 Mar 2017 09:26:56 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0372516007A; Sat, 18 Mar 2017 09:26:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 64WoNeP0Zswu; Sat, 18 Mar 2017 09:26:55 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.9] (unknown [47.153.188.248]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D5C5516006D; Sat, 18 Mar 2017 09:26:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83r31vxbco.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:213127 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii wrote: > What process? This is just a message, it changes nothing in the > process. The process that includes people reading and understanding and acting on=20 messages. Complicating the messages complicates the process. >> Better would be to have plain './autogen.sh' default './autogen.sh all= ' >> instead of to './autogen.sh autoconf' > > AFAIR, last time you tried this, some people here objected to forcing > them install Git hooks. They would not be forced under my most recent proposal. They could run=20 './autogen.sh autoconf' rather than plain './autogen.sh'. All that would = be=20 changed would be a minor simplification in the default. Had you typed './autogen.sh all' instead of './autogen.sh' you wouldn't h= ave=20 needed to read and understand and act on its final diagnostic, and this w= ould=20 have saved a bit of time. The idea is to make 'all' the default for=20 ./autogen.sh, as a timesaver for the typical process.