From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [Emacs-diffs] scratch/widen-less a4ba846: Replace prog-widen with consolidating widen calls Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 17:49:54 +0000 Message-ID: <7E500AD9-4332-4BC7-BE49-103B2DACE4D5@gnu.org> References: <20171129233237.27462.23351@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <20171130214621.GA22157@ACM> <27985594-3bb4-ce88-8928-2ccfeac13eae@yandex.ru> <20171201154913.GB3840@ACM> <1e542021-e389-cca4-6acd-349efddb2652@yandex.ru> <20171201223529.GG3840@ACM> <4a94ec5c-efdd-50f1-ff4d-277f5f45c2df@yandex.ru> <83lgil1qme.fsf@gnu.org> <83d13x1j2s.fsf@gnu.org> <34abea95-c7f7-e8fa-8407-8c2fd2a4cfe1@yandex.ru> <83y3mkzw1n.fsf@gnu.org> <83mv2zzv7z.fsf@gnu.org> <83o9nexy48.fsf@gnu.org> <46383974-4ab3-693e-059f-7cbe3446e917@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1512496262 30023 195.159.176.226 (5 Dec 2017 17:51:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 17:51:02 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android To: Dmitry Gutov , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 05 18:50:58 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eMHMu-0007Yr-0U for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Dec 2017 18:50:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51419 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eMHN1-000111-AM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Dec 2017 12:51:03 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56527) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eMHME-0000we-0a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Dec 2017 12:50:19 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eMHMC-0007iW-VA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Dec 2017 12:50:14 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:53552) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eMHM3-0007Yj-Lv; Tue, 05 Dec 2017 12:50:03 -0500 Original-Received: from [176.12.136.31] (port=50094 helo=[10.208.45.224]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eMHM2-00004z-Oe; Tue, 05 Dec 2017 12:50:03 -0500 In-Reply-To: <46383974-4ab3-693e-059f-7cbe3446e917@yandex.ru> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:220743 Archived-At: On December 5, 2017 10:42:27 AM GMT+00:00, Dmitry Gutov wrote: > On 12/5/17 8:03 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >=20 > >> Then any real consumer of prog-indentation-context will also have > to > >> add > >> a narrow-to-region to their code=2E > >> > >> So backward compatibility will be poor anyway=2E > >=20 > > I think any users of prog-indentation-context already do narrow=2E >=20 > Not antlr-mode, no=2E >=20 > It specifically applies narrowing via prog-indentation-context as=20 > designed, because python-mode supports that (unlike other major > modes)=2E >=20 > > So we don't harm anything in that area by keeping it=2E > >=20 > > Once again, we are talking about removing _existing_ code, even > > if unused=2E So "unnecessary" or "useless" just don't cut it; please > > explain how it does some real damage=2E >=20 > It solidifies an unused and unproved design which nobody can really > use=20 > until the next release of Emacs anyway=2E >=20 > And also, you call it "existing", I call it "never having been in a=20 > release"=2E "Solidifies unused design" doesn't sound convincing to me, sorry=2E Espec= ially since I still think we can accommodate MMM without breaking prog-inde= ntation-context and its users, whether existing or future=2E