From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: chad Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Binding M-n and M-p to forward-paragraph and backward-paragraphrespectively Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 12:09:19 -0700 Message-ID: <7C30351A-8431-44CA-BBEF-06AC0E509EBC@mit.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1302376176 27806 80.91.229.12 (9 Apr 2011 19:09:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 19:09:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Emacs-Devel devel' To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 09 21:09:32 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q8dXI-0007nU-CS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Apr 2011 21:09:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40878 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q8dXH-0002jh-Jk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Apr 2011 15:09:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=33777 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Q8dXC-0002jS-RB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Apr 2011 15:09:27 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q8dXB-0000UF-VL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Apr 2011 15:09:26 -0400 Original-Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-6.mit.edu ([18.7.68.35]:43767) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Q8dXB-0000U9-TH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Apr 2011 15:09:25 -0400 X-AuditID: 12074423-b7b8eae000003d4f-bb-4da0aeeb37f5 Original-Received: from mailhub-auth-2.mit.edu ( [18.7.62.36]) by dmz-mailsec-scanner-6.mit.edu (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id A2.39.15695.BEEA0AD4; Sat, 9 Apr 2011 15:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.103]) by mailhub-auth-2.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id p39J9OiR007038; Sat, 9 Apr 2011 15:09:25 -0400 Original-Received: from [10.0.1.22] (c-67-183-32-38.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [67.183.32.38]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as yandros@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id p39J9K9H004893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Sat, 9 Apr 2011 15:09:23 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFmpnleLIzCtJLcpLzFFi42IRYrdT0X29boGvwYrFYhaXD79isXi84Amr A5NH2zQzj49Pb7EEMEVx2aSk5mSWpRbp2yVwZexq3MlUsJq9omPTTMYGxkesXYycHBICJhK9 81awQ9hiEhfurWcDsYUE9jFKfN8v3cXIBWSvZ5T4c7iJEcI5wSTxacFJRpAqYYEIiRNvj4LZ vAKGEks3tYNNYhbQkrjx7yVTFyMHB5uADNBUDZAwp4CtxIoT95lBwiwCKhLbl+dCVOtL/Lh0 ngXC1pZYtvA1M8REK4nHXW9YIdYeZ5TYOKENLCEioCZx8ttzdpA5EgKyEk3LMiYwCs5CcsQs JEfMQjJ2ASPzKkbZlNwq3dzEzJzi1GTd4uTEvLzUIl0zvdzMEr3UlNJNjODQdVHewfjnoNIh RgEORiUeXqXKBb5CrIllxZW5hxglOZiURHnvrQUK8SXlp1RmJBZnxBeV5qQWH2KU4GBWEuH9 UA2U401JrKxKLcqHSUlzsCiJ886VVPcVEkhPLEnNTk0tSC2CycpwcChJ8EYCY1RIsCg1PbUi LTOnBCHNxMEJMpwHaPgtkMW8xQWJucWZ6RD5U4zGHHv69+9j5FiyCkgKseTl56VKifOmgowT ACnNKM2DmwZLP68YxYGeE+aNAKniAaYuuHmvgFYxAa0qPD0fZFVJIkJKqoGx6t7ZheG/KxRK TwZ8Obvx9aqF+13Yl4n1SK769EvePqQy2vbBr9zyitY5k7i+qiesc1w3Z5XU9O+zOSZNT/Vx Ur+SL/yStbHS+NHGNL89BVqbBU1+2W/ap8lz/OmfE+wla4q/pGfK6Fzf5On4tPvP X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 18.7.68.35 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:138333 Archived-At: On Apr 9, 2011, at 8:24 AM, Drew Adams wrote: >> the idea that we shouldn't add new bindings because then >> someone in the future might think that those bindings are >> somehow `special' - and that we might want them to think=20 >> otherwise - is a rather extreme combination of straw-man and=20 >> absurdity. >=20 > It is neither straw man nor absurdity. And it is not just an idea. = The last > go-round about binding some (function) key by default clearly = demonstrated this: > The discussion had not even finished, and no decision had yet been = reached, > before some were sending in posts that indicated that they understood = that the > key was _reserved_ and should not be changed by users or 3rd-party = libraries. Yes, where as this is a binding that is clearly intended to be changed = by users and 3rd-party libraries. I didn't say that your idea was *always* wrong; just in this case. *Chad