From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: JD Smith Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: cursor-intangible and rear-nonsticky t Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 17:11:26 -0400 Message-ID: <7B0DBF5E-5D4E-4A27-9DEB-E818EC2733B9@gmail.com> References: <11A4C2D3-101E-4121-8DFD-D6451B28C8F1@gmail.com> <88226B26-38AF-4B02-9E5E-A333AC8E2CC4@gmail.com> <30A8CCBF-C1E0-46F5-A07A-4A4169406C8A@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5F37E6E6-9412-4AED-9DC6-C0BE7B5D2BE0" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34996"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 05 23:12:35 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lTWWR-0008zG-O8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2021 23:12:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59576 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lTWWQ-0004ww-Mz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2021 17:12:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49248) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lTWVT-0004VG-Iw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2021 17:11:35 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qt1-x82b.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::82b]:37748) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lTWVP-0002ff-5k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Apr 2021 17:11:35 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-qt1-x82b.google.com with SMTP id f12so9639613qtq.4 for ; Mon, 05 Apr 2021 14:11:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:in-reply-to:cc:to :references; bh=Km3WqBgSPeWqD3JibwJBZTbDKKWPmVBtJjcReqzfA3Q=; b=QBmVCk+WDyEQA8JIso8Xak44XDdrZiCYFaOO+OQG2ieJtS9lnr/mvrBOyz+kgPJ1Ie NoKtCyIoZ/xSGFLSEl2YaSB5xFy2o01f0N4Grtl4RzE3gKmI2ULFnxUbrQ+WduAyFZt5 n45MS+1booJN0WINwvg52JTznC5wc3hB4D67vVlpJUycJ6lfUBhSiakX+Vke83RZO2W4 TqQvJGhFW7k+RXmSUHB2vKdotEGQJ8uWRhZX6Tq1brCVkouROQPf4hG5pU9Pz0UDtnnx 3r2DwJMqJ3XXjbVp2/jxti+snazLIoe6rkqyZuJm+6QjS16E7n4XjSrqG6WkPszAqpnY yLjw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date :in-reply-to:cc:to:references; bh=Km3WqBgSPeWqD3JibwJBZTbDKKWPmVBtJjcReqzfA3Q=; b=jsLFzwvsqVrUF0EOAQQk5kGsuziZXyFUva0XnBy12TO4o1Lvs0hFqGx78hup4LFPyM goirAHYOxgKasFgXahyTYYK9YrcYoAdcNwZwRxCz1akwMYzMt/fl3AL4T0HGd2mguMmP 5jXuCW1REU6KNlYZx13uEmUTWfF2xrKnKHZh/RQdrXpnobKkBAEDScUTarV2Snc/ZHGa tqCaxk9rqLBm0PpMZPqSa0YQEOhBHYGsMoJ+8CZcQvbyNzp1OOVR/4VLBAjrSaajx+Hr JN7eqjbXKZ/GvrGxWRl20T1qw5oy0UoN/qq+6LHAq+cU0MG0FuKkFRI5udWbaPJp3Bsw Vn/w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531QJ3UAate9ue8ofuw2HhsgX+Gf3pqeViRxtfrBbP45srhEM76t UEN/cwCm8Fc31a+Jf64oB84= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzED+698gqBewmQcYYaV1l+FtD4/M8OVWmNbBTq71UfRei0Vk/fPzMU+IfuYgecf50rTw7o5A== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:7381:: with SMTP id t1mr24734040qtp.3.1617657088314; Mon, 05 Apr 2021 14:11:28 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.0.116] (cm-134-228-54-223.buckeyecom.net. 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On Apr 5, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:

The problem above is easy to workaround = until the problem is fixed
upstream

Yes a simple =E2=80=98(cursor-intangible t = rear-nonsticky nil) seems to do it. 

I'd tend to suspect an interaction with some = wild-west
package doing = dangerous things)

Your suspicions are well-calibrated.  I haven=E2=80=99t = yet figured out the culprit, but it was a package interaction = issue. 
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