From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A proposal for a friendlier Emacs Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 14:52:07 +0000 Message-ID: <7AC04422-8250-4A86-9064-BE6627726ABB@gnu.support> References: <4be18b5f-dc07-2703-a2de-1ed08916ebdf@gmail.com> <20200921170740.GA3551@protected.rcdrun.com> <20200922062437.GM6402@protected.rcdrun.com> <83zh5hx5qf.fsf@gnu.org> <83sgb9x4q2.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33262"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: nicola.manca85@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 22 16:54:04 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kKjgB-0008Uf-FN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 16:54:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57240 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kKjgA-0007z8-8E for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 10:54:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55750) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kKjeX-0007Ud-JT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 10:52:21 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:53519) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kKjeV-0002Ay-Nm; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 10:52:21 -0400 Original-Received: from [10.127.77.34] ([::ffff:197.157.0.18]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_CHACHA20_POLY1305) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000056140.000000005F6A0F9E.00007F5C; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 07:52:14 -0700 In-Reply-To: <83sgb9x4q2.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/22 10:11:15 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -3 X-Spam_score: -0.4 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.5, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256325 Archived-At: It is subjective fact taking=2E I am so much software addicted as before, a= nd have installed many applications over last years and did not get nearly = that opinion, I have seen none such in part years=2E I remember that from b= efore 1999 in Windows sphere=2E Which software specifically you installed with such assistants? On September 22, 2020 2:31:49 PM UTC, Eli Zaretskii wrote= : >> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 14:22:03 +0000 >> CC: rms@gnu=2Eorg, nicola=2Emanca85@gmail=2Ecom, emacs-devel@gnu=2Eorg >> From: Jean Louis >>=20 >> >You personally may find it annoying, but please keep in mind that >many >> >applications nowadays offer to take the user through a similar >process >> >first time the application is started after installation=2E So I >> >presume many newcomers to Emacs will not be surprised by that, and >> >maybe will even expect something like that=2E >>=20 >> To make a survey online today is not so hard and not so expensive, >turn advertising on and ask people to answer few questions in exchange >for free software download, you can give them Emacs as award=2E > >It isn't a matter of opinion, it is a matter of fact: many >applications offer to configure them the first time you invoke them=2E >I know because I install them=2E Any other user will see the same=2E > >That is all I was saying: that this kind of feature is quite >widespread nowadays=2E