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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:113641 Archived-At: > > Just publish the old colors and the corresponding new > > ones. If you do that, it really doesn't matter much what > > colors you use. > > > > It is important to list changes in any default > > values/behavior at each release, stating clearly what > > the old was and the new is in each case. That is normal > > behavior. > > What is shorter to put in NEWS: complete definitions of old > and new faces (ca 50 lines) or simply a text like "you can > switch back to `color-theme-emacs-23.1"? 1. Did you miss this point: >> A user might well like the new colors in general but prefer >> one of the old colors. But what was it? This is not about >> choosing between two themes (neither of which might be appropriate). When you change themes, you get the whole package, lock, stock, and barrel. Knowing what a given face was that you liked lets you restore just that face. 2. The criterion should be helping users the most, not minimizing the number of bytes in NEWS. And even if it takes an extra 1000 bytes, no big deal. 3. Listing changed default settings is normal behavior for any released software. It is the least we owe to users.