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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:290139 Archived-At: On May 23, 2022 10:56:47 AM GMT+03:00, Juri Linkov wrot= e: > >> If we miss some of them out because we've since added C-x 5 5, > >> we are asking the user to keep track of which things under C-x 4 have > >> bindings under C-x 5 and which don't -- one has to remember that C-x = 4 > >> C-j exists but C-x 5 C-j doesn't=2E > > > > I meant: one has to remember that C-x 5 p and C-x 5 d exist but > > C-x 5 C-j doesn't=2E >=20 > For new commands that don't have a C-x 4 binding > it makes sense to use C-x 5 5, but if a binding > already exists in the C-x 4 keymap, it could be synced > with the C-x 5 keymap for consistency=2E And indeed > dired-jump-other-frame is missing among existing keys: >=20 > C-x 4 C-f find-file-other-window C-x 5 C-f find-file-other-f= rame > C-x 4 C-j dired-jump-other-window !!! > C-x 4 C-o display-buffer C-x 5 C-o display-buffer-ot= her-frame > C-x 4 =2E xref-find-definitions-other-window C-x 5 =2E xref-find-def= initions-other-frame > C-x 4 0 kill-buffer-and-window C-x 5 0 delete-frame > C-x 4 4 other-window-prefix C-x 5 5 other-frame-prefi= x > C-x 4 a add-change-log-entry-other-window > C-x 4 b switch-to-buffer-other-window C-x 5 b switch-to-buffer-= other-frame > C-x 4 c clone-indirect-buffer-other-window C-x 5 c clone-frame > C-x 4 d dired-other-window C-x 5 d dired-other-frame > C-x 4 f find-file-other-window C-x 5 f find-file-other-f= rame > C-x 4 m compose-mail-other-window C-x 5 m compose-mail-othe= r-frame > C-x 4 p project-other-window-command C-x 5 p project-other-fra= me-command > C-x 4 r find-file-read-only-other-window C-x 5 r find-file-read-on= ly-other-frame >=20 >=20 I don't think we agreed to have full symmetry between C-x 4 and C-x 5=2E = I see no special reason for 100% consistency here=2E Simple key sequences = are at a premium, and we shouldn't usurp them just because we can=2E Any user who wants a C-x 5 binding for dired-jump can have such a binding = for him or herself=2E But why do this by default for everyone?