From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: ndame Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Making Emacs popular again with a video Date: Fri, 08 May 2020 10:58:17 +0000 Message-ID: <78MWNW3AMrdcuobWz5HUv_03eXHd_phmW_WI1FPDdF654vYB7PMs5hfkTzArXOZuIH0B-c2vXH9ny70NaA83aDaB8A47vfDkaI3imYzrXsI=@protonmail.com> Reply-To: ndame Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="126369"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: Emacs developers Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri May 08 12:59:18 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jX0is-000Wn6-25 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 08 May 2020 12:59:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53700 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jX0ir-0002Qa-33 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 08 May 2020 06:59:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53670) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jX0iC-0001R3-6m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2020 06:58:36 -0400 Original-Received: from mail4.protonmail.ch ([185.70.40.27]:57686) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jX0iA-0001nB-1s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 May 2020 06:58:35 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail; t=1588935509; bh=Y+61jZs1MH3iSRRv/se+L/rX8KsVhzMtAE5uUSH1mTE=; h=Date:To:From:Reply-To:Subject:From; b=SmBqruIV7IeGDb6ZZrI25GSaZ6CipdUDAuj0XLZCDU/X6KJ25oa/m3We1ZOXfmuyZ tdqi80qYr2ugJN54KL/S/KPI/K2kKsmYCL3DLdb501LRVrG7MvsshYlUYAnChdiKE4 K057xMiAehjLK/I+BhNRE44nKc8MiKOwfLDjwQQw= Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.40.27; envelope-from=ndame@protonmail.com; helo=mail4.protonmail.ch X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/08 06:58:30 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249261 Archived-At: > > I think people nowadays need an out-of-the-box experience, that's why > > promoting doom-emacs or spacemacs might be better than the default > > Emacs. > This is valuable input, I think. Someone else too made a similar proposal in a reddit comment: begin quote: IMO the very first thing a use should be greeted with is a dialog box that = says something along the lines of "Hey, welcome to Emacs! Emacs is a very old editor with a ton of legacy we'= d like to preserve. If you want a more modern experience, you can try these community-made conf= igs instead: * Spacemacs [Install]: The best editor is neither Emacs nor Vim, it's Emacs= and Vim! * Centaur Emacs [Install]: A Fancy and Fast Emacs Configuration * Doom Emacs [Install]: An Emacs configuration for the stubborn martian vim= mer * CUA mode [Enable]: Use keybinds commonly found in other modern editors [No thanks, II'd like to cook my own config]" It'd be a very simple change but an immense improvement to the new user exp= erience. end quote Would it be acceptable to recommend popular startup packages on the splash = screen if the user has an active network connection? I guess in that case = it's not a problem if it's not bundled with emacs, since emacs can install = it from the net by adding melpa to the package list automatically.