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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:267513 Archived-At: On 05.04.2021 23:49, Philip Kaludercic wrote: > Most completion frameworks I have looked at seem to limit themselves to > the latter. To simplify, they collect all the options of a collection > using all-completions and then narrow it depending on user input. Ido > and all it's descendents (Ivy, Helm, Selectrum and now vertico) seem to > be based on that approach. I don't think that's true. I mean, the "plain" Ido does do that, and that limits its applicability to a select number of commands. ido-completing-read+, however, makes an effort to periodically refresh the collection obtained that way. The rest, AFAIK, do it correctly right away, dynamically refreshing the matches after every user input.