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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250234 Archived-At: On 14.05.2020 08:12, Richard Stallman wrote: > > 2) The s- namespace: This has already happened. If we put a function > > called `s-starts-with' or `-map' into core, we will break quite a lot of > > MELPA. This would look poor and potentially like bad will. > > That would be blaming us for their treating us badly. > > I suppose some people might do that -- but I don't want to > cringe in fear of it. Regardless of who is to blame, doing that on our part would be counter-productive. So we're very unlikely to even do it. Thus, the "s" namespace is unfortunately already taken. If Elisp grew to support namespaces, that could be fixed, of course.