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From: Jean-Christophe Helary <jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: "Emacs Lisp Packages" chapter in the Emacs manual
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 10:43:16 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <76D54CCC-2074-4A1B-9E87-18BC311618D1@traduction-libre.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <12cea798-27b1-4ae1-8b87-ffaff5c2d130@default>



> On May 13, 2020, at 0:46, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't quite understand this part of your diff:
> 
> +The traditional way to install Emacs Lisp code is to either install it
> +in the Emacs Lisp @dfn{load path} or to add the path to the code to
> +the load path list.
> 
> What does it mean to "install" code in `load-path'?
> And how does that differ from adding the directory or
> file of the code to `load-path' (IOW, why the "or")?

I'm just using the wording that's found in other parts of the manual. Not trying to be fancy here :)

Emacs manual:
"If an Emacs Lisp file is installed in the Emacs Lisp load path (defined below), you can load it by typing M-x load-library, instead of using M-x load-file."

My understanding is that "install in the load path" means put the file in a path that Emacs already knows vs "add the path to load path" means make Emacs know about that new path.

> Keep in mind that loading a library/file need not be
> something done systematically (e.g. by `require' in
> a file that gets loaded), or something done only by
> autoloading.  `load-library' is a command, to let
> you load a library interactively.

Thank you. Reading the manual did not help much here. But that's ok for now. I'm not interested in knowing all the subtelties of loading files.

> Is there some clear definition of "installing" a
> package in the doc?  Probably, but I haven't checked.

Not that I can tell.

> (I don't think of "installing" as applying to a
> library that you just load, but maybe I should.

The Elisp Introduction seems to use "install" more as "be able to use the library" hence "load".

> Is "installing" a library, without using the package
> system, defined anywhere in the doc?)

Not that I can tell. That's the reason why I'm adding this line to the manual. To make that explicit.

> [BTW, for GNU Emacs, "path" means something different.
> What you mean here is presumably the absolute file
> name (of the directory or the file itself).]

I'm pretty sure I don't know the difference.


Jean-Christophe Helary
-----------------------------------------------
http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune





  reply	other threads:[~2020-05-13  1:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-09 15:02 "Emacs Lisp Packages" chapter in the Emacs manual Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-09 15:19 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-09 16:47   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-10  2:19     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-10 14:17       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-10 15:05         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-10 16:49           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-10 17:13             ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-10 19:28               ` Drew Adams
2020-05-11  1:02                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-10 19:35               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-11  1:08                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-11  1:51                   ` Drew Adams
2020-05-11  3:26                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-11  4:23                       ` Drew Adams
2020-05-11  4:40                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-11  6:57                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-11 15:09                             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-11 15:23                               ` Drew Adams
2020-05-12  0:59                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-12  3:21                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-12  3:50                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-12 15:46                                     ` Drew Adams
2020-05-13  1:43                                       ` Jean-Christophe Helary [this message]
2020-05-13  2:05                                         ` Drew Adams
2020-05-13  2:27                                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-13  2:33                                             ` Drew Adams
2020-05-13  2:46                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-13  3:02                                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-16 10:23                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-16 12:39                                               ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-16 14:38                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-16 15:20                                                   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-12 15:46                                 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-11 15:13                             ` Drew Adams
2020-05-12  3:18                               ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-11  3:23                   ` Stefan Monnier

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