From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?Andreas_R=c3=b6hler?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Please explain the FSF copyright assignment thing Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 19:04:33 +0200 Message-ID: <76369283-85b0-779d-0418-457abfd01db3@online.de> References: <87b29866-51a6-05b5-c08f-94201bce3d89@online.de> <25b4532b-b2db-e813-7c4c-ee75770e98d6@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------F18980CA7564DF756393F51D" X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1500396606 333 195.159.176.226 (18 Jul 2017 16:50:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 16:50:06 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/45.6.0 Cc: Yuri Khan To: Paul Eggert , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 18 18:49:59 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dXVh8-00084q-Ie for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 18:49:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57812 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dXVhD-0006Ix-RI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 12:50:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59240) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dXVh3-0006Is-Dz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 12:49:54 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dXVh0-0002wV-BJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 12:49:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.130]:49257) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dXVgz-0002sm-Vc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 12:49:50 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.178.35] ([77.12.24.190]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue004 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MUjkW-1d8DTP07I4-00YAOS; Tue, 18 Jul 2017 18:49:35 +0200 In-Reply-To: <25b4532b-b2db-e813-7c4c-ee75770e98d6@cs.ucla.edu> X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:D0wUr9BkFc9p8JViaxwBfJAEGZk7w6QSxPJhZ/g3TWKP+lvcRm9 zP+Y0kRr71ggBigZzEmTBJ+qx/y4Y/iOXYT1E6D89k7rAxJjFwuBml+513g/J8Rk848ohRC gDpLdf5UW7zIwC/b3D0v2EupUt3EX42hignZiDcNRG9x65P7M74MRKdtJGzji+IGwlfLr5c 9Mdil7BQUg+foAfWEKXaw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:mjrAPlstnFg=:NMIYluaCC2KZtZgcCqOLKV /p4QwZ1PTS8fn+DNTZysjmbe1noROmBvzNfHwUTIkcHRmwakyr+PFxPggm43w8IIXWOUm7A16 kqP7wOKo9x1ZzddTYchW62uktwEt9rnlPEEYUPv/Uc3oPW9QweJ3GkVtG7JSLaNZhB2G19yW0 OHvdGcRteor1SG2UYuRnSQLiqu13bsYDzD09VCj0dVMcm6ScJPFYqVaky5P2Ip38Wq5FwhISM 6sw8IC0dVcwsJRz97Yk7PWPyvIKhHBcZm3G7rUH2ULE5TLR8riyYmeNUcq7h2/XFJCdvU6n2U Y88KKL7/hurGN0XYmClvLWz9B4aRFvdH8cSh4utXLIKlm8kqr3hWtMbwJjRVjW68bBC/j8ZD7 2VWvSRZMSwQP5pUGKxRnGgTMis/r0XAzKQSpbbP/HOmdsAvzVYfKpumN1Vdiaw44ny+2KtKQX R4cnK/0UEOvKCDIlqKMm4V0Nx7bXcTELTp2s+3NLGhzYTBEPr1HOq/rRxEkQeIIWHM25NUWmr +/YwTQS2hDXFvIIQ/i6YIM+8FyCy13VXitQtyUsxJsPf7pKUjF1axsbYS45KRij1Y238JzSRh KsNDg64N6cRAOAcnKDmfKe03vONwgS2Gm0KiR289KKEk+BFzuSnP53GsyPHrQ0aKFkIHZE3oG k4NtL6b+xTj2i7baYI50coZY3z33XtnXb43GCClJxE9x6BbQowAX+YE80dbtIu9aqGdPsZ8W6 IvsgaxS5oAlIYW2ZiwtYJaZhrWJvNVraYOcktzGdwEQaOaCJObIS9LhokcM= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 212.227.126.130 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:216850 Archived-At: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F18980CA7564DF756393F51D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 18.07.2017 09:53, Paul Eggert wrote: > Andreas Röhler wrote: >> What would stop FSF to assist defending the authors rights? > > The FSF would not have standing. The authors would, but might not be > available. > >>> If you have assigned copyright to FSF, then FSF can sue that violator >>> and have a probability of winning and forcing them to either publish >>> their improvements under GPL, or stop distributing their derived work. >> >> >> Could you point me at some example? > > http://www.fsf.org/news/2009-05-cisco-settlement.html Thanks for the info. Seems I just dislike the idea of enforced freedom - it should expand by the example and beneficial results it provides. That way prefer licenses, which allow users to do the wrong thing. --------------F18980CA7564DF756393F51D Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit



On 18.07.2017 09:53, Paul Eggert wrote:
Andreas Röhler wrote:
What would stop FSF to assist defending the authors rights?

The FSF would not have standing. The authors would, but might not be available.

If you have assigned copyright to FSF, then FSF can sue that violator
and have a probability of winning and forcing them to either publish
their improvements under GPL, or stop distributing their derived work.


Could you point me at some example?

http://www.fsf.org/news/2009-05-cisco-settlement.html

Thanks for the info.

Seems I just dislike the idea of enforced freedom  - it should expand by the example and beneficial results it provides. That way prefer licenses, which allow users to do the wrong thing.


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