From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Emacs buglist old bugs are spamming me now [FW: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender] Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2019 15:03:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <75d342ac-7178-4032-9881-d90c41cf31bf@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="__1555452224289119949abhmp0019.oracle.com" Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="192517"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 17 00:06:33 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hGWDo-000nwC-Ly for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Apr 2019 00:06:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43446 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hGWDn-0003vm-Nj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Apr 2019 18:06:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44270) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hGWDA-0003va-C4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Apr 2019 18:05:53 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hGWD9-0006X5-AU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Apr 2019 18:05:52 -0400 Original-Received: from userp2130.oracle.com ([156.151.31.86]:53806) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hGWD8-0006PF-OQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Apr 2019 18:05:51 -0400 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (userp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id x3GM4svb129589 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2019 22:05:46 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : subject : content-type; s=corp-2018-07-02; bh=Jxo75lubgiXPuzC6Lh2Tfj5V7UvkQsgcr3jCJ7Z+sT4=; b=K7JwRO6sXxMhMBfqR9fmdzkw4aH8m4jV6eyls/XPfstB6b44mxv/6ccvfYosKUydQeI1 QlwTgcOpgUOpDV9ox6E7nr/1kPYWB4j8woyVqLyiLjQl3/gnfSrcabe0A7RpFOjSzEYd mnEhmaAS0jHDxwZJxhkJKdauMuG+h7KpC4Tw5DtkmDcsjyQ6MvOrxEJFjE0ZeiVIJegE VzUkLgKqfjoF1eYgUT4q1kgyetPQ9FAjR0ZGfgoGWsQ62GVQjcyLGIIhioUjJ3j6M9Xl 7d5ZtXyM8+b1eku9bAYiJlwjEF5PSPmMy+Kc7WaYT4enHkVY+5lxbJVZrt8toXWm6Ek/ Ww== Original-Received: from userp3020.oracle.com (userp3020.oracle.com [156.151.31.79]) by userp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2rvwk3qhc8-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2019 22:05:46 +0000 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (userp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id x3GM2soR187349 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2019 22:03:46 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2rubq6k4y0-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2019 22:03:46 +0000 Original-Received: from abhmp0019.oracle.com (abhmp0019.oracle.com [141.146.116.25]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id x3GM3ipO021320 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2019 22:03:45 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4834.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=9229 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=1 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1810050000 definitions=main-1904160132 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=9229 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1810050000 definitions=main-1904160132 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 156.151.31.86 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:235556 Archived-At: --__1555452224289119949abhmp0019.oracle.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've received over 50 messages like this so far today, out of the blue. Each has an attachment with an old bug-list message (see attachments). I'm hoping that someone is looking into this, or will do so. -----Original Message----- From: MAILER-DAEMON@linux-tuxedo.fritz.box =20 Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 2:24 PM To: Drew Adams Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender This is the mail system at host linux-tuxedo.fritz.box. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. 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The mail system : mail for localhost loops back to myself --__1555452224289119949abhmp0019.oracle.com Content-Type: message/delivery-status; name="Untitled.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Untitled.txt" UmVwb3J0aW5nLU1UQTogZG5zOyBsaW51eC10dXhlZG8uZnJpdHouYm94DQpYLVBvc3RmaXgtUXVl dWUtSUQ6IEEzQzQ3MTMwMUM3Rg0KWC1Qb3N0Zml4LVNlbmRlcjogcmZjODIyOyBkcmV3LmFkYW1z QG9yYWNsZS5jb20NCkFycml2YWwtRGF0ZTogVHVlLCAxNiBBcHIgMjAxOSAyMzoyMzozOSArMDIw MCAoQ0VTVCkNCg0KRmluYWwtUmVjaXBpZW50OiByZmM4MjI7IHN0ZXZlQGxvY2FsaG9zdA0KT3Jp Z2luYWwtUmVjaXBpZW50OiByZmM4MjI7c3RldmVAbG9jYWxob3N0DQpBY3Rpb246IGZhaWxlZA0K U3RhdHVzOiA1LjQuNg0KRGlhZ25vc3RpYy1Db2RlOiBYLVBvc3RmaXg7IG1haWwgZm9yIGxvY2Fs aG9zdCBsb29wcyBiYWNrIHRvIG15c2VsZg0K --__1555452224289119949abhmp0019.oracle.com Content-Type: message/rfc822 X-Message-Flag: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2016 12:36:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams Sender: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: stephen.berman@gmx.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org Subject: RE: emacs-25 f708cb2: Clarify doc string of 'transpose-sexps' References: <<20161104095223.23249.72530@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>> <<20161104095223.631AB22012D@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>> <<8737j7e3r5.fsf@gmx.net>> <> <<87y40zckn9.fsf@gmx.net>> <<977b7eaa-1c5f-4d8b-be5d-33ec73f5a962@default>> <<87twbncgve.fsf@gmx.net>> <<3687e9ab-658b-49b9-b766-8658d5c48374@default>> <<87pombceyc.fsf@gmx.net>> <<83cd67b5-cb42-4fea-b6be-21e9ec8075a7@default>> <<83oa1vjdrx.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83oa1vjdrx.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4834.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > It is really not great to tell someone they "cannot" or > > "must not" etc. do something without raising an error that > > really enforces "cannot" etc. >=20 > If someone comes up with a way to lift that restriction, we could > remove this text from the doc string. but as long as the command > works as it does, I think we should document that, or else we will > have bug reports about its not meeting expectations. I did not suggest removing the text from the doc string. The point is that it is better if the code backs up what the doc says, by raising an error if you try to do what it says you cannot do. If `C-b' at bob did not raise an error, but instead just moved point to the end of line 42, it would be scant help to tell users in the doc of `C-b' that you cannot use it at bob. --A3C471301C7F.1555449819/linux-tuxedo.fritz.box-- --__1555452224289119949abhmp0019.oracle.com--