From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Jean-Christophe Helary Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "Emacs Lisp Packages" chapter in the Emacs manual Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 01:47:56 +0900 Message-ID: <75254771-9303-4982-AB60-F92AF7AC6454@traduction-libre.org> References: <11437E00-8970-4908-A900-0438A248428D@traduction-libre.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="23503"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: Emacs developers Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat May 09 18:49:06 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jXSew-00060W-6K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 09 May 2020 18:49:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39674 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXSeu-0003PC-K0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 09 May 2020 12:49:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56300) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXSdy-0002uu-US for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 May 2020 12:48:07 -0400 Original-Received: from relay9-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.199]:48899) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXSdw-00087z-EN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 May 2020 12:48:06 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 128.53.210.217 Original-Received: from [10.0.1.13] (pl6361.ag0304.nttpc.ne.jp [128.53.210.217]) (Authenticated sender: jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org) by relay9-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AC51EFF805 for ; Sat, 9 May 2020 16:48:00 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.183.199; envelope-from=jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org; helo=relay9-d.mail.gandi.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/05/09 12:48:01 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249507 Archived-At: > On May 10, 2020, at 0:19, Stefan Kangas = wrote: >=20 > Jean-Christophe Helary > writes: >=20 >> --- a/doc/emacs/package.texi >> +++ b/doc/emacs/package.texi >> @@ -13,6 +13,9 @@ Packages >> separate Emacs Lisp program, sometimes including other components = such >> as an Info manual. >>=20 >> + Emacs Lisp programs that are not available through this facility = can >> +still be loaded by installing them in the Emacs Lisp @dfn{load = path}. @xref{Lisp Libraries}. >> + >>> @kbd{M-x list-packages} brings up a buffer named @file{*Packages*} >> with a list of all packages. You can install or uninstall packages >> via this buffer. @xref{Package Menu}. >=20 > It's a useful addition, I think, but it seems a bit backwards to add = it > before even introducing `list-packages'. >=20 > I would suggest to move it further down. It could be the second to = last > paragraph, for example. I'm not the most qualified person to discuss location, but if people = think "install", it seems nice to tell them up front that there are 2 = ways to do that.=20 In fact, I first thought of something like this: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The traditional way to install Emacs Lisp code is to install it in the = Emacs Lisp @dfn{load path}. @xref{Lisp Libraries}. Now, Emacs includes a facility that lets you easily download and install @dfn{packages} that implement additional features. ... =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Jean-Christophe Helary ----------------------------------------------- http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune