From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: eldoc vs minibuffer-auto-raise Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 14:25:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <751af5b0-cfe6-4887-8489-0f40b0be0d75@default> References: <5C42EEA3.70808@gmx.at> <5C437123.2010504@gmx.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: ciao.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ciao.gmane.org 1547936753 155739 195.159.176.228 (19 Jan 2019 22:25:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ciao.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 22:25:53 +0000 (UTC) To: martin rudalics , emacs-devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 19 23:25:51 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gkz3n-000eUu-8d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2019 23:25:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60620 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gkz3w-0003lQ-04 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2019 17:26:00 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45813) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gkz3m-0003lJ-Ej for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2019 17:25:51 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gkz3l-0005Ap-Oo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2019 17:25:50 -0500 Original-Received: from userp2130.oracle.com ([156.151.31.86]:55104) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gkz3l-000595-FM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2019 17:25:49 -0500 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (userp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id x0JMJPE8153841; Sat, 19 Jan 2019 22:25:43 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2018-07-02; bh=oJ1pZ27t88aumOMlpwSLsoYDvB+2anPgTjLizkMjglk=; b=4L6UQp8liM0VXKFOmV9brkClaBKS4pT9waGGKcpulMSd3lcpGxPGZ2V7+58zwF+NfpNY MqhyAVDuKDPw6zDv3srX2oX8nr0H0vQAPym9pISh6AZ+pBwBZa78cWK3EULgQA+JpfBB JL6odkayxMs4o6xEyK9OFOMfI/xER25DB3oW2HljkE+AgysmnS7LzW28ZxD87Cl2SJ+p V9+HQVVH/WLXu+SHnzQSf6tqGVvbScLOcf6bjPCF0raSD2Bwc20E/4s5TiYm+3cbNm0H ndsbDqf3kn5IEyqIY1dr6B4RYErP60tbdExivWdZILRWwjIVkxCMyyf35im/Mf6Llgw6 sA== Original-Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by userp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2q3uaua017-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 19 Jan 2019 22:25:43 +0000 Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x0JMPblF025683 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 19 Jan 2019 22:25:37 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0011.oracle.com (abhmp0011.oracle.com [141.146.116.17]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x0JMPbtY007711; Sat, 19 Jan 2019 22:25:37 GMT In-Reply-To: <5C437123.2010504@gmx.at> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4795.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=9141 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1810050000 definitions=main-1901190180 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 156.151.31.86 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:232509 Archived-At: > > I'm using MS Windows. Perhaps the window mgr is involved > > here, switching the focus to the minibuffer frame in your > > case? >=20 > No. I suppose you have set 'w32-grab-focus-on-raise' to nil so you > won't see this behavior. Yes, it's nil. (Not that I even remembered what that variable is or does, or when I set it to nil.) However, I see the same behavior even if I set the var to `t'. In my case, no doubt due to something else in my setup, the focus stays where I left it, in the *scratch* frame. Eldoc puts its msgs in the minibuffer frame (in the echo area, presumably), and focus stays put, in *scratch*. However2: With the variable =3D t things are really annoying outside of Emacs! E.g., while typing this mail in Outlook (not Emacs), Eldoc (?) keeps periodically sending the window-mgr focus to the Emacs *scratch* frame (not to the minibuffer frame - again, no doubt due to my setup), so text I try to type into Outlook ends up in *scratch*. That's creepy weird. I'm not familiar with that variable, and I don't really make much, if any, real use of Eldoc, but if other users also find Eldoc periodically stealing focus from other window-mgr windows and redirecting it to some Emacs frame I'd think that would be quite annoying. (Has anyone reported that?) Good thing I have it set to nil, I guess.