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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250734 Archived-At: On 18.05.2020 11:32, martin rudalics wrote: > I use a minibuffer child frame all the time.  It is invisible whenever I > don't need it, promptly shows up on any window where I want to interact > with it and resizes just like any normal minibuffer window. Could you share your config? Perhaps we could make it into a package, too. > I do not use the echo area for ElDoc though and occasionally the echo > area noisily pops up to tell me that I'm at the beginning or end of a > buffer.  I've been told that I have to live with the latter. Now that we have set-message-function and clear-message-function, couldn't you move message display somewhere else?