From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: dhruva Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release plans Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:24:48 +0530 (IST) Message-ID: <728015.65270.qm@web95001.mail.in2.yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217498127 5141 80.91.229.12 (31 Jul 2008 09:55:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 09:55:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie , Richard M Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 31 11:56:17 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KOUtG-00023X-1o for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:56:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57773 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KOUsL-0001Ah-2Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:55:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KOUsC-00017N-Td for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:55:04 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KOUs9-00013s-02 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:55:03 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=56468 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KOUs7-00013a-Ay for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:54:59 -0400 Original-Received: from n5a.bullet.mail.tp2.yahoo.com ([203.188.202.99]:37527) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KOUs6-0007rO-Mw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:54:59 -0400 Original-Received: from [203.188.202.76] by n5.bullet.mail.tp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2008 09:54:57 -0000 Original-Received: from [202.43.196.224] by t2.bullet.mail.tp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2008 09:54:57 -0000 Original-Received: from [203.212.168.61] by t1.bullet.tpe.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2008 09:54:57 -0000 Original-Received: from [203.104.18.55] by t2.bullet.kr1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2008 09:54:56 -0000 Original-Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp107.mail.in2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2008 09:54:48 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 827542.62740.bm@omp107.mail.in2.yahoo.com Original-Received: (qmail 65624 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2008 09:54:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=ymail.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=TDTGx4HMUfatlMIc28Ih8EhjhTzP+8IlqVooItubhdynsvxrtKk29cdGqYRZVmUst0wjVSqC7XucgzipByVMbhGOUBY5tyVQ4F/sUT/6FnQgPrASSCupShl7JS7jOA9dD2vE/NDqfkMGkQOXqxKPRJ7lVlzuoiNWO09QUb2T2iQ=; Original-Received: from [202.3.112.9] by web95001.mail.in2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:24:48 IST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1042.40 YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.7-5.2 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.4) (2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101788 Archived-At: Hello,=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0A> From: Alan Mackenzie =0A> To: Richard M Stallman =0A> Cc: dhruva ; emacs-devel@gnu.org=0A> Sent: Thursday, 31 July, 2008 3:00:22 PM= =0A> Subject: Re: Release plans=0A> If I were to reject work involving prop= rietary OS's, this wouldn't=0A> advance free software at all. The only peo= ple to notice would be the=0A> people who expect me to pay their bills, and= hopefully the Emacs=0A> development team would notice my absence after my = Internet line had been=0A> cut off. I suspect I am typical of most hackers= here in that respect.=0A=0AI completely agree with you. Let us accept that= many companies develop software that runs on multiple operating systems. S= ome of us with windows background have to pitch in when there is requiremen= t. I would love to work with the great GNU tools that I use on GNU/Linux on= all platforms I am expected to work. Just imagine if I have to learn OS sp= ecific tools for doing regular development work, I would end up spending ti= me learning the various tools instead of just using them to get the work do= ne. Hence, the request to continue to make Emacs (and other GNU tools) avai= lable on a bunch of other OS (free or non free).=0AI work in India and I ca= n say that we cannot demand to work only on a particular platform when you = join a company. Especially in the application development, most companies w= ant their applications to run on a whole lot of platforms. I am not a Linux= kernel hacker to be able to get a good job where I can live and breath in = GNU/Linux that can still pay my (and my family) bills. That is the unfortun= ate reality. =0A Just for records, though I develop on GNU/Linux, I still h= ave to use M$ to access mails, ensure it builds and works on M$, for VPN an= d a bunch of other stuff for which the local IT offers support to M$ but no= t GNU/Linux! I have tried a couple of times to remove M$ and use on GNU/Lin= ux but failed due to some internal tool not working on GNU/Linux and had to= get back. It is sad but true. Same with the Mozilla Firefox browser. Some = sites just do not work on Firefox (and Opera). To get the work done, you ha= ve to use IE or end up getting fired for not getting the job done.=0A=0A-dh= ruva=0A=0A=0A=0A Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on = http://help.yahoo.com/l/in/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/tools/tools-08.html/