From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Qiantan Hong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Question collaborative editing - tools to connect Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 16:40:37 +0000 Message-ID: <7276559E-BA94-48B6-8AFA-4DEBE5B9645F@mit.edu> References: <20201005084441.GB4453@protected.rcdrun.com> <87zh50lhda.fsf@red-bean.com> <20201006173228.GA18043@localhost> <20201020161557.trl2ehuvcqotag4l@Ergus> <20201020185114.GE6994@t400> <3AFE3D85-16AF-460E-B3E6-1EE80223C627@mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3ED6E7EB-4DF6-488E-B97F-3046671836B0"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3189"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Ergus , Fermin , Caio Henrique , Noam Postavsky , Emacs developers , Karl Fogel , Stefan Monnier , Eli Zaretskii To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 28 17:58:12 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kXom4-0000hs-7z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 17:58:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60820 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kXom3-0002PJ-7T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 12:58:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37958) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kXoVc-0006ZL-Qg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 12:41:12 -0400 Original-Received: from outgoing-exchange-1.mit.edu ([18.9.28.15]:35748) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kXoVZ-0001AN-Bu; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 12:41:12 -0400 Original-Received: from w92exedge4.exchange.mit.edu (W92EXEDGE4.EXCHANGE.MIT.EDU [18.7.73.16]) by outgoing-exchange-1.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id 09SGeexM003212; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 12:41:04 -0400 Original-Received: from oc11expo16.exchange.mit.edu (18.9.4.47) by w92exedge4.exchange.mit.edu (18.7.73.16) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1293.2; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 12:40:09 -0400 Original-Received: from oc11expo16.exchange.mit.edu (18.9.4.47) by oc11expo16.exchange.mit.edu (18.9.4.47) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1365.1; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 12:40:37 -0400 Original-Received: from oc11expo16.exchange.mit.edu ([18.9.4.47]) by oc11expo16.exchange.mit.edu ([18.9.4.47]) with mapi id 15.00.1365.000; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 12:40:37 -0400 Thread-Topic: Question collaborative editing - tools to connect Thread-Index: AQHWrUeXsOj/F8GL0UGk9pCs5PIR96mtep+A In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [18.18.245.17] Received-SPF: pass client-ip=18.9.28.15; envelope-from=qhong@mit.edu; helo=outgoing-exchange-1.mit.edu X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/28 12:41:07 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Windows 7 (Websense crawler) X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:258541 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail=_3ED6E7EB-4DF6-488E-B97F-3046671836B0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 We were talking about the case when both users don=E2=80=99t have public accessible IP, neither VPS, then ssh, iodine and ptunnel falls out. Tuntox looks promising. Any preference between IPFS, Tuntox and Tor hidden service? > On Oct 28, 2020, at 12:29 PM, Jean Louis wrote: >=20 > * Qiantan Hong [2020-10-26 23:37]: >> ngrok is free software I think, both server and client >> side. However last time I check it myself it does >> seems that you need to sign up to use TCP tunnel >> on their official servers and the sign up page require >> non-free JS. That=E2=80=99s why I didn=E2=80=99t mention it in my = documentation. >=20 > SSH is easiest >=20 >=20 > 3 stunnel -- should be accompanied with SSH > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > Beschreibung : A program that allows you to encrypt arbitrary TCP > connections inside SSL, with libressl and OpenRC support URL : > >=20 >=20 > 4 tuntox=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > Beschreibung : Tunnel TCP connections over the Tox protocol, with > logger recommendation and OpenRC support URL : > >=20 >=20 > 1 iodine=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > Name : iodine Beschreibung : Tunnel IPv4 data through a DNS server = URL > : >=20 > It can be used through DNS, very handy when mobile data is out of > credit but one has access to DNS system. Works with many > providers. That would be collaborative avoidance of Internet fees. >=20 >=20 > 2 ptunnel > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > Beschreibung : A tool for reliably tunneling TCP connections over = ICMP > echo request and reply packets URL : > >=20 > Similar like above iodined. >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Jean Louis --Apple-Mail=_3ED6E7EB-4DF6-488E-B97F-3046671836B0 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgEFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCCA70w ggO5MIIDIqADAgECAhAaql39NsO1qLVjkS2hl517MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBCwUAMGwxCzAJBgNVBAYT AlVTMRYwFAYDVQQIEw1NYXNzYWNodXNldHRzMS4wLAYDVQQKEyVNYXNzYWNodXNldHRzIEluc3Rp dHV0ZSBvZiBUZWNobm9sb2d5MRUwEwYDVQQLEwxDbGllbnQgQ0EgdjEwHhcNMjAwODAzMDEyNDIz WhcNMjEwODAxMDEyNDIzWjCBoTELMAkGA1UEBhMCVVMxFjAUBgNVBAgTDU1hc3NhY2h1c2V0dHMx LjAsBgNVBAoTJU1hc3NhY2h1c2V0dHMgSW5zdGl0dXRlIG9mIFRlY2hub2xvZ3kxFTATBgNVBAsT DENsaWVudCBDQSB2MTEVMBMGA1UEAxMMUWlhbnRhbiBIb25nMRwwGgYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFg1xaG9u Z0BNSVQuRURVMIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEAylUlEQdK4BSXKzoGh6As CKN/TpLmC0kjhPdxUKMj1/86Xl6GDCla4h95uISDOWVAKdu3cIlA8m9zRLT2jNEIkt1DVpXP6c9h y8RRyfJm0qlrvr6tsHi5AmO4Li6s2dEGaTxbakPL6vEn7ZYr86t5orq56nubki77Z8ZvRv9/fWdF bF/YBNGDayLNk0NbXIEQdCHiz1l+bxfw+GHHRmdOge3MKWSg463+GGMdxtLQ61AbtR2vm47FIJBt c0X6ptcInWUg4Nf/9vSNGl6KvREvfbEWKCT6TfL5ncIFlitf6ZWKue2PZ4ULFfIQ3/7EsEk03xxr S7sTOy7e2dbPboe/WwIDAQABo4GhMIGeMAkGA1UdEwQCMAAwEQYJYIZIAYb4QgEBBAQDAgWgMB0G A1UdJQQWMBQGCCsGAQUFBwMEBggrBgEFBQcDAjALBgNVHQ8EBAMCBeAwHQYDVR0OBBYEFDeb9Jlj XSm+y0CD872IhzRDIGv1MDMGA1UdHwQsMCowKKAmoCSGImh0dHA6Ly9jYS5taXQuZWR1L2NhL21p dGNsaWVudC5jcmwwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQELBQADgYEApBTx4tBbD5rQ+bNGd/Z3OBV07qFsm5QHNg0+ 6lxJ3j7q5zMMq35o6y5cBIhcFG6t+MFqJIdERZ3EprDturyqozQsIBMHFnqh+iZcMg0uQyssEqKZ hrzIdw8GuY4Z6jNewdGy5mwwG9yjpEbzWWgdofSM5rnezZz7EvCQu9ilt1sxggNDMIIDPwIBATCB gDBsMQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzEWMBQGA1UECBMNTWFzc2FjaHVzZXR0czEuMCwGA1UEChMlTWFzc2Fj aHVzZXR0cyBJbnN0aXR1dGUgb2YgVGVjaG5vbG9neTEVMBMGA1UECxMMQ2xpZW50IENBIHYxAhAa ql39NsO1qLVjkS2hl517MA0GCWCGSAFlAwQCAQUAoIIBkzAYBgkqhkiG9w0BCQMxCwYJKoZIhvcN AQcBMBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEPFw0yMDEwMjgxNjQwMzhaMC8GCSqGSIb3DQEJBDEiBCBAKGk9gnkr UC6Xwctz6HX4UHirT6nnxtcLi+GlEL7FjzCBkQYJKwYBBAGCNxAEMYGDMIGAMGwxCzAJBgNVBAYT AlVTMRYwFAYDVQQIEw1NYXNzYWNodXNldHRzMS4wLAYDVQQKEyVNYXNzYWNodXNldHRzIEluc3Rp dHV0ZSBvZiBUZWNobm9sb2d5MRUwEwYDVQQLEwxDbGllbnQgQ0EgdjECEBqqXf02w7WotWORLaGX nXswgZMGCyqGSIb3DQEJEAILMYGDoIGAMGwxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlVTMRYwFAYDVQQIEw1NYXNzYWNo dXNldHRzMS4wLAYDVQQKEyVNYXNzYWNodXNldHRzIEluc3RpdHV0ZSBvZiBUZWNobm9sb2d5MRUw EwYDVQQLEwxDbGllbnQgQ0EgdjECEBqqXf02w7WotWORLaGXnXswDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQAEggEA VnkVOS56ayqUtmEctco6hPSIR9PwEofVRwgjX8R6nIEvVW7DMTQZnBTJHhn/+M8zR9OhqgEG/r88 ouvqxvQEtCvZZ9s6gul1A5JzevJXL/xZwEFmYssMOMNJJtyT/FVpSnpkLOdEU7fHf4Qed2vzwzqk 2sXt50yjfDWGKd7w6Sh7EHxOkDFvAwHHzhz4Sh4y4p4UAfsEE6yT+HKz90tkoqBhTjcu2vNH6FWg LCK6LwqwaAyBrd5sNRnrBAOQA12T4cUjHMtuco0ohtSSM1gjgNqjQQ8JdYK8IQPG3tooXmd38qTB R2dK0Q9oMoBopqVaoW0857OOdHaMdnTD9232FgAAAAAAAA== --Apple-Mail=_3ED6E7EB-4DF6-488E-B97F-3046671836B0--