From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Rethinking count-words-region Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 11:11:10 -0700 Message-ID: <7257E583E25E4190908D52CFC5F5F945@us.oracle.com> References: <87vcs0q05l.fsf@stupidchicken.com><83ty7kfzed.fsf@gnu.org> <874nzk5xvc.fsf@stupidchicken.com><87zkhc4j36.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4E908F40.3080905@online.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1318097487 14813 80.91.229.12 (8 Oct 2011 18:11:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 18:11:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Chong Yidong' To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?'Andreas_R=F6hler'?=" , Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 08 20:11:22 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RCbMo-0008S9-PH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 20:11:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59893 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RCbMo-00082G-9J for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 14:11:22 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:48610) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RCbMl-00081z-HQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 14:11:20 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RCbMk-00051P-I8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 14:11:19 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]:35162) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RCbMk-00051F-D3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 14:11:18 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p98IBFEt008880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 8 Oct 2011 18:11:17 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p98IBEEb021671 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 8 Oct 2011 18:11:15 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt110.oracle.com (abhmt110.oracle.com [141.146.116.62]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p98IB9pC028381; Sat, 8 Oct 2011 13:11:09 -0500 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.53.18) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 08 Oct 2011 11:11:08 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4E908F40.3080905@online.de> Thread-Index: AcyF4+mXm2xIftnlSyOVlsfWpTeFiwAAT6Kw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090208.4E909245.0087:SCFMA922111,ss=1,re=-4.000,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Received-From: 148.87.113.117 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144755 Archived-At: > think that's definitely the wrong path. > Its very important to express with command-names what they are doing. > If we have a command returning more than one thing, this must > be spoken out, not done silently. 1+ No reason to gratuitously introduce confusion. Sometimes we cannot avoid it, and names are never perfect. But this is counter-productive. Please DTRT, one way or another. If you define a command that does multiple things, then try to find a name that expresses that. If the multiple things are completely different from each other, then they might not belong together in the same command. In this case, the command reports a certain number of counts, which is fine. The name should reflect that.