From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: martin rudalics Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "Why is emacs so square?" Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 08:47:51 +0200 Message-ID: <71d95ea4-7d61-2603-73a1-43675c4fe269@gmx.at> References: <863691n4xl.wl-me@enzu.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="97938"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rms@gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams , ndame@protonmail.com To: Ahmed Khanzada , Joseph Garvin Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 18 08:59:01 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jPhRM-000PKY-Pw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 08:59:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55376 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jPhRI-0000qj-Lg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 02:58:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35104) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jPhGu-0006eh-SX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 02:48:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jPhGt-0007Dv-OA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 02:48:12 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:47541) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jPhGs-0006k4-5L; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 02:48:10 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1587192473; bh=xIOZWozBwGojgRZaD31k/Gr9gJEvMerX32FWGpmz51Y=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=SG+oRdIluXcM9QUk7Ez7/jJWVE+dH0toxzEAMs0KHX89+6uaAeyzmvOf+NXqVsfn6 bM28jZiXb5AQU+LrQYok5eZlL2CxmlUgC0CONlDn55F9lxgu1o1e8mDe8c1+Xmbb1K 316k8gpELO9SfG7ZetKc7ej+Lmra4GOzmnKM7rDo= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Original-Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([46.125.249.119]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MEm6L-1jRc0o1O3f-00GJkm; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 08:47:53 +0200 In-Reply-To: <863691n4xl.wl-me@enzu.ru> Content-Language: en-US X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:lU4EdzmnCOpi9aKxt8GiRG6MnjnDNbHzKbBV9oAHQIWI3kANnSY 7iRkj/ZW887if3Vru61jTYVa/lBhgN6SGHQclBt0KKu01/PePDS74uYpv7QgwmY5t7dyUoz AkJ2vrTv3wS2Ilm5HR8mp3Z3xy0Dn7T2P5hmfsosx+XRlNzvYyj1ljdaplVriTIt48L9Smq TGmE87QZbE22cf1k+KWEw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:ki2jAVhtiwA=:qV8M93GXrL7nfsymNnnWWq ZqU2PL2R5/pM2Dsz1/H4vFaFxNai8/I/6kKdi1Ui/1dtDPul0snMSs7kaib31Ehs0X2r8QrZx NFuVS88jIp3a1J9jfULcO8WSZ9ZxRJbPR4OKIPJJLepR0AAvLQ/YuUjcNGj5TnXwvwBh/H1KP vC6bzEbBnThrwniVbRyYEdiMHvBovmk2N6659A4Tx5PnmQFby25KVQ6jdkPkTO9JUO4d/oiSU AhUHCp8zwS1LD998TZoT9E86sz0SKRa7qXNAzhpVmvD96gHltkphJZICDe5K9Gs+GSVk8uIG4 Q3oelHWcVPFFGgXrX7TjMW8Q63/C6LNrlhtql+oga4P0d3QG0jAGXKo57pcgfOxbvMQ5eQGO8 FBrIYsMyn4IWk4f1T8jh9FEK/VOajkEW5PKw7xKFtTsgJad08lOIlFS1Th2Lzhas+f7YwgPkv xQnwThfoWRhWy7mFLORwMgQdlMZx3nqCEa5wa/GJousEPuG6XdMcIek3hnCTB5VJuOi3QnWvb O8VBbhSKJENM0prqWeq+X98bjC8aq9eiricKr4l9oSL3dgFPxv9ksrqASxWgC03qyJc/imClF /j7q9cd86TWewlLAfQGffOfw2bW/oPzfOyocBdtMi3ibnF4LrCQLPIk8qE4/8VYVIgmaMLFGx OhuSIhu5UfydtYnYMCw/CPlZA+/g3AMkKZF5tRr7GbDVub9xcldQAFjMF/SnK9qh2ncEiz7dJ KKe/QBq0oVmKQFsM0DdANKMZtQyARTDbphXHZ82UF4Y/5Lpj6AA9ePNm5sq55Tzmq1RWiARO X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 212.227.15.18 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247212 Archived-At: > (Perhaps if we do move forward with modernization, we should think of > modernization in the context of something like GNOME rather than MacOS > or Windows. Surely Emacs could be a better citizen of GNOME.) Citizenship goes both ways. The absence of responses for https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/840 sadly indicates that GNOME doesn't care much about us. martin