From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eli Zaretskii" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Info enhancements Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 11:38:32 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <7137-Sat06Dec2003113832+0200-eliz@elta.co.il> References: <878ylrbbk4.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <200312051827.hB5IRfk17741@f7.net> <87isku20s6.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1070703741 2084 80.91.224.253 (6 Dec 2003 09:42:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 09:42:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bob@rattlesnake.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, karl@freefriends.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 06 10:42:18 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1ASYx8-0006fV-00 for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 10:42:18 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1ASYx7-0006lf-00 for ; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 10:42:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ASZtM-0004mj-GM for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 05:42:28 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1ASZt5-0004lw-GZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 05:42:11 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.24) id 1ASZsZ-0004cA-RF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 05:42:10 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.114.186.15] (helo=balder.inter.net.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ASZsZ-0004c6-Bc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2003 05:41:39 -0500 Original-Received: from zaretski (pns03-196-203.inter.net.il [80.230.196.203]) by balder.inter.net.il (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.7-GR) with ESMTP id DCO92450; Sat, 6 Dec 2003 11:39:26 +0200 (IST) Original-To: Juri Linkov X-Mailer: emacs 21.3.50 (via feedmail 8 I) and Blat ver 1.8.9 In-reply-to: <87isku20s6.fsf@mail.jurta.org> (message from Juri Linkov on Sat, 06 Dec 2003 03:27:37 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:18456 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:18456 > From: Juri Linkov > Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 03:27:37 +0200 > > See also `append' in *Note Building Lists::, `concat' in *Note > Creating Strings::, and `vconcat' in *Note Vectors::, for other > ways to copy sequences. > > Such kind of references has at least two big drawbacks: I think these drawbacks stem from the basic limitations of the Info format. People nowadays are more accustomed to HTML and similar hyper-text formats, where the actual pointer is hidden, that's why the somewhat naive Info format looks bad to them. > I believe this enhancement can easily be done with the existing Info > format. And having spent many hours hacking makeinfo and the stand-alone Info reader, I believe, like Karl does, that doing that is a complete waste of time and effort. I think we basically have reached the point where no significant improvements could be done to Info without breaking something somewhere else. Evene the relatively simple change such as Info-hide-node-references caused a series of unintended consequences that we haven't fixed yet to the full extent. Isn't the experience drawn from that experiment enough for us to understand the simple truth that THOU SHALT NOT CHANGE INFO ANYMORE ? I say, if we want a better reader of the docs, let's invest our energy in an XML-based reader.