RE: Visit New File menu item

[Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>]

> > Also, such changes should be discussed more thoroughly, waiting for
> > interested parties to chime in.  E.g., one problem with "New File" is
> > that we don't actually enforce the "new" part -- you can visit an
> > existing file via that menu item.  Not sure how important this nit is,
> > but OTOH that single word "Visit" is also hardly so very important
> > that we should rush making the change overnight.
> 
> Well said!
> 
> My opinion is that "New File" is wrong if linked to the sequence "C-x C-f".
> 
> Usually, I use "C-x C-f" both for loading ("visiting") an existing file
> in Emacs both to create a new file (not existing!).
> 
> Notice that other applications which have "New File" mean really a *new*
> (i.e. creating) file. Usually they have "C-N" for "New File" and "C-O"
> for "Open File". So using "New File" in Emacs seems misleading, unless
> you use a different key sequence for New/Open File.
> 
> Really I would remove the "Open File" item and would leave "Visit File"
> (without New), with the obvious key sequence "C-x C-f".
> 
> Why don't you like "Visit"? Why you want to follow others giving up the
> original tradition of Emacs?
> 
> Anyway this is only my opinion.

IIRC, all of this was hashed over in the older thread that I
mentioned could usefully serve as a starting point for a new
discussion (and it other threads before that one, IIRC).

I believe that I recall each of the things that you and Eli
have said, as well as everything that others have said so
far, already having been said before.

We should try to add to the previous discussion or move beyond
it, not just repeat it.

That said, I am glad that you have said what you did.  I just
wish that folks would take a look at previous discussions of
this - especially those who would like to propose a change.
So far, the proposed changes are not new, and the reasons
given for them are not new.