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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:323819 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail=_5B766432-3DAD-482D-928B-10E00F3A8A19 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Sep 20, 2024, at 09:00, S=C5=82awomir Grochowski = wrote: >=20 > Summer Emacs writes: >> Emacs Logo (as usual or changed - either way) >>=20 >> =E2=80=94> New Emacs User? Click here. <-- >> Emacs Tutorial >> Emacs Manual >> Emacs Guided Tour >> Ordering Manuals >>=20 >> GNU and Freedom >> Copying Conditions >> Getting New Versions >> Absence of Warranty >>=20 >> Authors >> Contributing >=20 > Good work!=20 >=20 Thanks. Putting order in stuff is part of my job. =F0=9F=99=83 > 1. The new links order is definitely a good idea. I support it. =20 > 2. I also think the logo is ugly and might deter new users. But let's = move > this topic to another thread because there will be a long and heated > discussion about personal preferences here. So let's first focus on > improving the order of links. =20 Yea. I seem to have repeatedly hit the hornet=E2=80=99s nest with a very = large stick with this topic. =F0=9F=90=9D > 3. Agree with others that the 'Click here' button doesn't fit with = Emacs. >=20 Yea, it stands out. I=E2=80=99ll give you that. It could just say =E2=80=9C= New Emacs User Tutorial=E2=80=9D, but that would conflict a bit with the = Emacs Tutorial right under it. Also, I know it=E2=80=99ll be seen as = =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D as in =E2=80=9Cwe didn=E2=80=99t do computers like = that back in the day=E2=80=9D, but most new users to apps expect a = =E2=80=9Cclick here=E2=80=9D sorta thing. And I=E2=80=99m trying to = reach them. So I=E2=80=99m open to how to do that. =F0=9F=99=83 > --=20 > Slawomir Grochowski Summer Emacs =E2=98=80=EF=B8=8F=F0=9F=90=83=20 summeremacs@summerstar.me =E2=80=9CShake it Off =E2=80= =9D - Taylor Swift =F0=9F=92=96 --Apple-Mail=_5B766432-3DAD-482D-928B-10E00F3A8A19 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On Sep 20, 2024, = at 09:00, S=C5=82awomir Grochowski <slawomir.grochowski@gmail.com> = wrote:

Summer = Emacs <summeremacs@summerstar.me> writes:
Emacs Logo (as usual or changed - either = way)

=E2=80=94> New Emacs User? Click here. <--
Emacs = Tutorial
Emacs Manual
Emacs Guided Tour
Ordering = Manuals

GNU and Freedom
Copying Conditions
Getting New = Versions
Absence of = Warranty

Authors
Contributing

Good work! =

Thanks. Putting order in stuff is = part of my job. =F0=9F=99=83

1. The new links order is definitely a good = idea. I support it.  
2. I also think the logo is ugly and might = deter new users. But let's move
this topic to another thread because = there will be a long and heated
discussion about personal preferences = here. So let's first focus on
improving the order of links. =  

Yea. I seem to = have repeatedly hit the hornet=E2=80=99s nest with a very large stick = with this topic. =F0=9F=90=9D

3. Agree with others that the 'Click here' = button doesn't fit with = Emacs.


Yea, it = stands out. I=E2=80=99ll give you that. It could just say =E2=80=9CNew = Emacs User Tutorial=E2=80=9D, but that would conflict a bit with the = Emacs Tutorial right under it. Also, I know it=E2=80=99ll be seen as = =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D as in =E2=80=9Cwe didn=E2=80=99t do computers like = that back in the day=E2=80=9D, but most new users to apps expect a = =E2=80=9Cclick here=E2=80=9D sorta thing. And I=E2=80=99m trying to = reach them. So I=E2=80=99m open to how to do that. = =F0=9F=99=83

-- =
Slawomir Grochowski

Summer Emacs =E2=98=80=EF=B8=8F=F0=9F=90=83 
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=E2=80=9CShake it = Off=E2=80=9D - Taylor Swift = =F0=9F=92=96



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