From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Bell Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 00:36:40 -0700 Message-ID: <7018A604D6314EC29E8B7D472C13A926@us.oracle.com> References: <4BA0CDF9.40707@online.de><76682E4761EA432EB929E5E199B0F92A@us.oracle.com><87wrxb57e1.fsf@lola.goethe.zz><20100317.200901.408057447.hanche@math.ntnu.no><87sk7y2gh9.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87bpelic8g.fsf@mail.jurta.org><878w9ox1x4.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87d3z074fs.fsf@stupidchicken.com><87tyscysm2.fsf@mail.jurta.org><87mxy23b3f.fsf@catnip.gol.com><88262642C6164CD2872637E1309A66CB@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1269243927 30805 80.91.229.12 (22 Mar 2010 07:45:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:45:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 'Juri Linkov' , 'Chong Yidong' , emacs-devel@gnu.org, 'Miles Bader' To: "'Stefan Monnier'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 22 08:45:23 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NtcK5-0002fY-IW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:45:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40556 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NtcJp-0006S9-GT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 03:45:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NtcCJ-0003zs-RL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 03:37:16 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=58016 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NtcCG-0003xI-42 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 03:37:15 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NtcCC-0001So-5b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 03:37:08 -0400 Original-Received: from rcsinet12.oracle.com ([148.87.113.124]:53147) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NtcCA-0001SU-Qe; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 03:37:06 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by rcsinet12.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o2M7b3xT011642 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:37:05 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt353.oracle.com (acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o2M3T4Ua006623; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 07:37:02 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt020.oracle.com by acsmt353.oracle.com with ESMTP id 99430491269243396; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 00:36:36 -0700 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/24.5.179.75) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 22 Mar 2010 00:36:35 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcrJXz096EXa7JKzSgyfCJf65ZKKVAALRtrg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Source-IP: acsmt353.oracle.com [141.146.40.153] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090208.4BA71E1F.0028:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122457 Archived-At: > > What's pointed out by the discussion so far is not that the bell > > should go away, or that it should be replaced by the visual bell, or > > that the visual bell should be improved, or that `ding' should be > > called less, or that `ding' should be removed, or that `C-g' should > > not ring the bell. > > > Rather, what's called for is a way to mute `ding' in a flexible > > way. What Juri suggested wrt putting a silence property on function > > symbols, and what I suggested wrt binding a silence variable, would > > provide what's needed. And maybe there are other suggestions. > > > Once we have ways to flexibly silence `ding' in various > > contexts, then we can decide just where to do so. And users > > themselves will be able to easily do likewise. > > I understand what you say, but I disagree. > #include "my earlier post" No idea what earlier post you mean. What's your argument, in summary? And what is it that you disagree with?